Moreover, even while in a cloud of H2S, my eukaryote ran out of H2S (It spent more H2S on moving in the cloud than it received H2S by absorbing the cloud).
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I think the thing is to buff h2s but not enough to make it absolutely OP for prokaryotes for which it is generally already viable.
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Wouldn’t that then mean that the eukaryotic variant of the part (chemoplast if I recall) is what needs to be buffed? I’ve been trying to buff all the eukaryotic variants of organelles whenever someone says they aren’t a worthwhile upgrade.
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But remember, they should not be too much more efficient than chemosynthetic proteins (maximum +50% efficiency)
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If they aren’t too efficient we won’t eliminate the problem to acceptable levels
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It is better to improve chemosynthesis in general, since otherwise chemosynthesizers will be able to reach the nucleus only with preliminary endosymbiosis.
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Can’t you only gain 1 chemoplast from prokaryotic endosymbiosis?
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I don’t want this to be the only option for chemosynthetic eukaryotes (at least small chemosynthetic eukaryotes need to be able to survive(so that it would be possible to obtain it without endosymbiosis))
Also, as I noticed, for some reason no one has yet added a condition for unlocking the chemoplatst (it is available without unlock)
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You mean you want the unlock condition to require relatively few chemo proteins?
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They are not required at all, there is literally no unlocking required for this.
The chemoplast is available to all eukaryotes (even those that never had chemosynthetic proteins) from the very beginning.
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I meant for what you were proposing I think, not for the chemoplast unlocking being broken. Should it require as many chemo proteins as a chloroplast requires thylkakoids or less?
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You are correct here in my opinion that in general buffing eukaryotic organelles is not sufficient to solve the problem of “this works for a small cell, but not a big cell”. There’s too many cases where you are larger but don’t have access to the eukaryotic variant yet.
I also noticed this, and for the nitroplast as well. It’s something I would like to do, but other things are higher priority right now.
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Can’t you just acquire the needed protein count and wait a few turns until the unlock condition has been met, before becoming an eukaryote?
The problem here is not that proteins are too inefficient, but that with their efficiency you will not have enough hydrogen sulfide.
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One example here was that you need to first grow big enough that you can place a nucleus. And after that you need to survive before you can place those newly unlocked organelles.
If even at high patch level of hydrogen sulfide (or sitting in a cloud of it) you cannot get enough glucose out (which I think is what was said before?), the only way of changing that is improving the efficiency of the conversion. (Or reducing the loss of glucose, but that would obviously affect everything else.)
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So we have again come to the conclusion that the chemosynthesis process needs to consume less h2s for the same amount of glucose. Is it still possible to add this buff before 1.0.0 or is it too late now?
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It only requires changing the json file (which is quite easy), as well as some tests and discussions, so I think - yes
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It should be remembered what little time is left before 1.0 is already packed full of planned features and whatnot so even seemingly “small” things like this could end up being shelved for 2026.
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I still need to slightly tweak iron, so I can just reduce the input amount for chemosynthesizing parts with that. That way, the H2S that is in your storage doesn’t get burned through as quickly, allowing you to absorb more at a time instead of floating in a cloud and it barely registering.
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Not just floating, you usually need to actively move through the cloud for h2s storage to start filling up.
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