Comments on Specific Development Forum Posts

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Perhaps developing such a proto-body-cavity should be a requirement to ascend to macroscopic?

[AnthropocenianAge (𝒜𝓇𝓉𝒽𝓇𝑜𝓅𝓁𝑒𝓊𝓇𝒶 𝓌𝒶𝓃𝓉𝓈 𝓉𝑜 𝑔𝒾𝓋𝑒 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝒶 𝒽𝓊𝑔!)]

We would first need a much better macroscopic editor, namely, the ability to do different directional translations on our organisms like flipping from horizontal to vertical (or vice-versa)

vertical (facing up)
        o  o                            o  o
       o    o           to           o  o     o
       oo  oo                        o  o     o
        o  o                           o   o
                               horizontal (facing sideways)

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

We’d also probably need an ability to modify the insides

[hhyyrylainen]

The placement bonus is not about being “inside” a colony or not, it’s purely about placing similar cells next to each other to get a bonus.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

With the time at hand could it be possible for some of these bonuses to be applied in certain ways more advanced than simple adjacency? So for instance movement / proto muscles would gain a larger bonus when placed in filaments. Or is this moreas a macroscopic feature?

[hhyyrylainen]

At least I’m totally not going to be working on any of these.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

You are still going to work on the planned/base cell adjacency bonuses right?

[hhyyrylainen]

Yes, but that won’t make it into 1.0.1 as I only have tomorrow left for new stuff so I just need to put the bare minimum specialization GUI stuff into the multicellular editor. I’ll only have time for the cell adjacency bonus calculation and related GUI work for the release after that.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Is multicellular autoevo still only in the design/discussion phase or has it’s code writing started yet?

[Rathalos]

Still design/discussion. I don’t know when the people more familiar with auto-evo actually have time for it.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Would the implementation of multicellular miches (at least the base ones) take as long as the new miche system took itself?

[Rathalos]

I don’t have really much concern when it comes to the miches, specifically. There’s work to be done to make calculations in general work with multicellular species, and especially to make mutations that can be applied.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Which is why I could imagine the total implementation period taking several months and not just 2 or so

[AnthropocenianAge (𝒜𝓇𝓉𝒽𝓇𝑜𝓅𝓁𝑒𝓊𝓇𝒶 𝓌𝒶𝓃𝓉𝓈 𝓉𝑜 𝑔𝒾𝓋𝑒 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝒶 𝒽𝓊𝑔!)]

Fix

So this is basically the Thrive equivalent of the Nuke Gandhi bug, but this one actually exists and is even funnier?
Please devs, keep this in the game for Player enjoyment!

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

So do the max focus species simply turn poisonous?

[Poodelicus (Crazy, Curious, and Stubborn)]

Cell Specialisation concept and bonus list

Beginning Concepts on The Multicellular Stage

@Rathalos

Basically, if some function can be isolated in a certain cell type and removed from other cell types, it should be.

@Deus

External parts will likely always be less numerous than their energy-generating counterparts, so we might want to think of more dedicated handling for external parts (external parts “count for 2” instead of 1?) Otherwise, it’ll be very difficult to specialize around external parts.

@hhyyrylainen

@Deus

Holistic Energy Balance: Instead of a cell’s individual balance determining whether or not it has enough ATP to survive, in the Multicellular Stage, the balance of the body plan as a whole is much more important. As long as you have the machinery in your energy-generating cells to support it, a cell with a negative balance, like one overtly dedicated towards flagellum, toxins, or more, can persist.

Again, I think it it’s been discussed many times that sharing ATP between cells is an extremely rare thing on Earth. And as a result in Thrive it is not possible currently to share ATP between cells. And I’d like to keep the primary way like that for realism purposes. So even in multicellular the player has to make sure that each cell type has a positive ATP balance.

Would it make sense to have 2 Specialization bonuses per cell? 1 specific to ATP production (which EVERY cell needs) and one for whatever else it’s doing? For example, if the player had a plant there cell specializations might be:

• Photosynthesis and Mitochondria
• Vacuoles and Mitochondria
• Reproductive Organelle and Mitochondria

As long as all cells need to make there own ATP, while I understand wanting the player to choose between Aerobic Glucose, Anaerobic Glucose, Iron, and, if RuBisCo gets made, Temperature as a means of making ATP, it seems to me making it choose between making ATP and doing something with the ATP is as unrealistic as sharing ATP.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

@Poodelicus

RuBisCo

Wasn’t this for turning atp into glucose and not the other way around?

[Poodelicus (Crazy, Curious, and Stubborn)]

Yes, but isn’t lack of it the reason that Thermosynthesis now makes Glucose instead of ATP? Theoretically, if RuBisCo was ever made, Thermo would make ATP.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Indeed, but considering thermo switched to producing glucose I think this might be a sign rubisco has been generally abandoned as an idea.
Perhaps thermo should be grouped together with chloro/chemoplasts since it’s main function now is to produce the energy supplies (but not energy itself)?

[Poodelicus (Crazy, Curious, and Stubborn)]

Just because hhyyrylainen won’t make it doesn’t mean someone else won’t some day. The current form is a “sin”. Eventually, someone might feel the need to tackle that, and if they do, Thermo will likely return to what it was meant to be. Though that may be a ways off, and in its current state, grouping it with chloro/chemoplasts makes sense.