# Ideas for the Aware Stage \[Put your ideas in this thread\]
**URL:** https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-aware-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/2088
**Category:** Aware Stage
**Created:** [September 5, 2019, 10:17pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-aware-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/2088 "2019-09-05T22:17:23Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@willow](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/willow)
#### Post date: [October 25, 2022, 1:08pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-aware-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/2088/222 "2022-10-25T13:08:57Z")
as i was saying that is part of the reason that SOME humans are nocturnal and we have evidence of humans sleeping in shifts
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### Author:  [@titus\_the\_human](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/titus_the_human)
#### Post date: [October 25, 2022, 5:14pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-aware-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/2088/223 "2022-10-25T17:14:18Z")
camofloge, have it so that the color of your skin/fur/scales can deternin how dificult it is for predators or prey to eat you
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### Author:  [@OoferDoofer](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/OoferDoofer)
#### Post date: [October 25, 2022, 5:56pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-aware-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/2088/224 "2022-10-25T17:56:31Z")
The article you cited was about how ancient mammals were nocturnal, nothing about humans being nocturnal.
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### Author:  [@willow](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/willow)
#### Post date: [October 26, 2022, 2:08pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-aware-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/2088/225 "2022-10-26T14:08:36Z")
there are humans like me who in the night feel more awake than in the day which either means humans A. were previously both nocturnal and diurnal or B. are on our way to that and the more likely option is A
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### Author:  [@fralegend015](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/fralegend015)
#### Post date: [October 26, 2022, 3:17pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-aware-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/2088/226 "2022-10-26T15:17:17Z")
> However, being tired all day and awake at night can also be caused by **poor napping habits, anxiety, depression, caffeine consumption, blue light from devices, sleep disorders, and even diet**.
From [Tired but Can't Sleep: Why It Happens and What to Do About It](https://www.healthline.com/health/healthy-sleep/tired-but-cant-sleep).
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### Author:  [@willow](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/willow)
#### Post date: [October 26, 2022, 3:21pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-aware-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/2088/227 "2022-10-26T15:21:54Z")
let me rephrase that. there are humans like me who in the night feel more awake than in the day and prefer to sleep in the day to sleeping at night as thy feel more tired after sleeping through the night but not after sleeping at day which either means humans A. were previously both nocturnal and diurnal or B. are on our way to that and the more likely option is A
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### Author:  [@titus\_the\_human](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/titus_the_human)
#### Post date: [October 26, 2022, 3:28pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-aware-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/2088/228 "2022-10-26T15:28:07Z")
seasonal fur changes like with rabbits
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### Author:  [@fralegend015](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/fralegend015)
#### Post date: [October 26, 2022, 4:50pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-aware-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/2088/229 "2022-10-26T16:50:21Z")
> [@willow](#):
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> which either means humans A. were previously both nocturnal and diurnal or B. are on our way to that and the more likely option is A
False dichotomy, it is totally possible that you just slept during the day so many times that your brain just got used to that.
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### Author:  [@willow](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/willow)
#### Post date: [October 26, 2022, 5:29pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-aware-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/2088/230 "2022-10-26T17:29:08Z")
I’ve always been like that and I’ve met several other people that are the same and at least for me it’s because the sun is pretty much always in my eyes when i go outside during the day but when i go outside during the night everything is visible and my eyes don’t hurt and I’m pretty sure that is relatively common
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### Author:  [@50gens](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/50gens)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2022, 3:35pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-aware-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/2088/231 "2022-11-20T15:35:10Z")
Are beavers intelligent? They build dams. Lets say that a group of beavers placed wood in front of a river. But there was an exceptional amount of rain that day. The river couldn’t be stopped, and send the woods to the sea, with beavers on top of those. The beavers, in a moment of desperate ingenuity, tied the woods to each other with ropes or whatever they could find and built a primitive boat. The boat went to a shore by itself and beavers were saved. They then remembered how to do this, and told others. Soon, a shipmaking industry started among beavers. They even discovered how to make a sail. Different beaver ships started having naval battles.
The question is this. Which stage do the beavers belong? I thought awakening, but normal beavers, even though they make dams, aren’t considered equal to paleolithic humans, the modification they do to the enviroment is similar to an aware stage creature building a nest. But naval battles sound like something that happens in society stage. So which one is it? The beavers are exactly the same as earth beavers. They only have primitive ropes and sails, which they use to build armadas, as big as their pre agricultural population allows.
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### Author:  [@hhyyrylainen](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/hhyyrylainen)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-aware-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/2088/232 "2022-11-20T15:47:10Z")
> [@50gens](#):
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> Which stage do the beavers belong?
Reading the wiki will clarify the stage transitions. In this specific case this is the relevant page:
> **[Awakening Stage](https://wiki.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/wiki/Awakening_Stage)**
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> In a nutshell: You start with a creature beginning to discover the use of tools and must rapidly improve them to survive and outcompete competition. It ends upon the construction of your first Society Center.
And here is quoted the exact stage transition part:
> The Awakening Stage begins when the player’s species achieves sapience.
Beavers aren’t sapient, so they aren’t in the awakening stage.
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### Author:  [@50gens](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/50gens)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2022, 3:58pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-aware-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/2088/233 "2022-11-20T15:58:41Z")
Okay I read it and maybe large scale cooperation and complex language(sapience) would be needed, more than when building a dam which would make it awakening. Ropes would be tools and sails a technology similar to clothes. I am now in the opinion that they are awakening (and earth beavers can’t make naval wars)
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### Author:  [@willow](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/willow)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2022, 8:09pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-aware-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/2088/234 "2022-11-20T20:09:25Z")
> [@50gens](#):
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> Which stage do the beavers belong?
likely end portion of aware and before sapient
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### Author:  [@fralegend015](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/fralegend015)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2022, 8:52pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-aware-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/2088/235 "2022-11-20T20:52:16Z")
Instinctual behaviours doesn’t make them at the end of aware stage, bees and other colonial insects create hives much more complex than beaver dams by instinct.
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### Author:  [@PeasantKyr](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/PeasantKyr)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2022, 8:52pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-aware-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/2088/236 "2022-11-20T20:52:40Z")
Beavers are demonstrably not as intelligent as chimps or dolphins, so no.
Building dams for beavers falls more in line with other instinct driven behaviors. They do it not because they innovated the technical knowledge to do so, but because their brain wiring and dopamine system gives them an innate drive to do so.
Individual beavers then learn how to make dams most effectively, better achieving that dopamine reward (learned behavior enhancing an instinctual drive).
… but they don’t communicate with each other concisely enough to teach the next generation effectively, (not beyond the pups simply observing the parents) so that learned behavior starts essentially at zero for each individual.
Aside from that, they also show no signs of innovations beyond that instinctual drive. They learn how to do what their instincts say more effectively, but they do not learn how to do anything else.
They will build a dam, or a den, but never an apartment complex. They do not have the capacity to learn how.
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### Author:  [@willow](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/willow)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-aware-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/2088/237 "2022-11-20T21:01:49Z")
what i meant is the beginning of the end of aware stage
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### Author:  [@blackjacksike](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/blackjacksike)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2022, 9:02pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-aware-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/2088/238 "2022-11-20T21:02:31Z")
To me, sapience is achieved when a species starts to value things that aren’t important to their survival (e.g. philosophy, science, religion, beliefs, art, etc.). Some of those things such as science or language can help a species survive, but aren’t ultimately necessary to their survival.
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### Author:  [@willow](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/willow)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2022, 9:06pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-aware-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/2088/239 "2022-11-20T21:06:53Z")
in that case bees could be considered sapient because if given colored balls to play with for long enough bees will often look for balls to play with without looking for sugar water immediately afterwards if i understood what you meant
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### Author:  [@PeasantKyr](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/PeasantKyr)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2022, 9:11pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-aware-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/2088/240 "2022-11-20T21:11:52Z")
The fact that the behavior is _primarily_ instinct driven means that, the existence of the behavior is irrelevant to how close the species is to sapience.
As fralegend pointed out, eusocial insects create complex structures. They are _nowhere_ near capable of becoming sapient.
There is a point where learned behaviors can be combined with instinctual behaviors, as I mentioned.
the difference is that in order to get closer to sapience, you need to rely _primarily_ on learned behaviors and problem solving first.
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### Author:  [@willow](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/willow)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2022, 9:27pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-aware-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/2088/241 "2022-11-20T21:27:12Z")
i think sapience should (other than it’s actual definition) be defined as the ability to hold back instincts to achieve a goal made harder by some of your instinctual behaviors
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