# Ideas for the Multicellular Stage \[Put your ideas in this thread\]
**URL:** https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-multicellular-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/447
**Category:** Multicellular Stage
**Created:** [May 4, 2018, 11:06pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-multicellular-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/447 "2018-05-04T23:06:07Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@hhyyrylainen](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/hhyyrylainen)
#### Post date: [January 24, 2023, 6:51am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-multicellular-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/447/183 "2023-01-24T06:51:12Z")
Why have many things when few do trick?
My idea is that to specify joints, we can go with a very simple system of allowing the player to click on a metaball and say that this is a joint that rotates around that metaball’s parent metaball. No need to have 2 overlapping systems where you’d first need to build a skeleton from sticks and then place metaballs all over it to define the visible shape.
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### Author:  [@thunder](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/thunder)
#### Post date: [January 24, 2023, 1:18pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-multicellular-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/447/184 "2023-01-24T13:18:41Z")
Yeah but I still don’t know will you design more hardly defined bodyparts. If the meatballs will be other shapes the just a ball and have the merge Slider like in elysian eclipse I can see that working. But what about jaws, eyes and other delicate organs?
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### Author:  [@hhyyrylainen](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/hhyyrylainen)
#### Post date: [January 24, 2023, 1:29pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-multicellular-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/447/185 "2023-01-24T13:29:53Z")
The metaballs just define the surface, the spheres aren’t literally the surface. Due to the convolution surface code not being ready the metaballs are currently only visualized as spheres.
You should re-read the info topic on convolution surfaces and how they are generated based on the metaballs:
> **[Convolution Surfaces: A better alternative to metaballs](https://forum.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/convolution-surfaces-a-better-alternative-to-metaballs/737)**
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> I saw the metaballs concept on my Facebook feed, and figured I should probably makes this post (about 4 years overdue). One of the things I was working on back in 2016 was figuring out a good solution for 2d and 3d organism editing. There are...
It says “alternative to metaballs” but convolution surface algorithm can eat a list of metaballs to work off of as long as each metaball has a defined parent (i.e. the metaballs form a graph).
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### Author:  [@thunder](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/thunder)
#### Post date: [January 25, 2023, 4:57pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-multicellular-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/447/186 "2023-01-25T16:57:06Z")
I would like to see it put into practice in the macroscopic editor.
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### Author:  [@AlvinTheIdiot](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/AlvinTheIdiot)
#### Post date: [February 10, 2023, 11:29am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-multicellular-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/447/187 "2023-02-10T11:29:04Z")
I have a idea- to add penicillin!
The word, “Penicillin”, is just a name of a type of matters which can effect the cell walls to composite
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### Author:  [@Rathalos](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/Rathalos)
#### Post date: [February 10, 2023, 1:47pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-multicellular-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/447/188 "2023-02-10T13:47:59Z")
Sounds like a type of toxin that could be implemented, but it would not be called “Penicillin”, probably.
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### Author:  [@willow](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/willow)
#### Post date: [February 10, 2023, 3:53pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-multicellular-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/447/189 "2023-02-10T15:53:55Z")
it should also only affect you if you have a certain membrane and not enough mass and(like in real life) be named after the species that evolved it first if possible
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### Author:  [@AlvinTheIdiot](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/AlvinTheIdiot)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2023, 3:51am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-multicellular-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/447/190 "2023-02-11T03:51:57Z")
Maybe in multicellular stage, you can turn your toxin vacuoles be a “penicillin organ”(idk how to name it).
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### Author:  [@AlvinTheIdiot](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/AlvinTheIdiot)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2023, 3:53am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-multicellular-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/447/191 "2023-02-11T03:53:56Z")
A problem here: the colors are not enough to show many different kinds of penicillins.
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### Author:  [@willow](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/willow)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2023, 4:47am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-multicellular-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/447/192 "2023-02-11T04:47:31Z")
well they kill bacteria by stopping them from building a new cell wall so if you just don’t have a bacterial cell wall you are immune to all of them but if you have a bacterial cell wall you should only need to differentiate between penicillins you are immune to and ones you are weak to so one color for penicillins that don’t affect you and a different color for ones that do
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### Author:  [@AlvinTheIdiot](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/AlvinTheIdiot)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2023, 5:14am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-multicellular-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/447/193 "2023-02-11T05:14:27Z")
In the version 0.6.0, we can change the kind of cell walls. So the color will change, too?
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### Author:  [@willow](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/willow)
#### Post date: [February 11, 2023, 3:41pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-multicellular-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/447/194 "2023-02-11T15:41:03Z")
you can change those separately
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### Author:  [@Lipovomit](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/Lipovomit)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2023, 6:10pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-multicellular-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/447/195 "2023-02-28T18:10:51Z")
Why is there no version of this for Microscopic Stage?
Should i make one?
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### Author:  [@TeaKing](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/TeaKing)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2023, 6:14pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-multicellular-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/447/196 "2023-02-28T18:14:19Z")
it already exists
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### Author:  [@Lipovomit](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/Lipovomit)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2023, 6:15pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-multicellular-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/447/197 "2023-02-28T18:15:14Z")
Oops. Why isn’t it linked at the top, then?
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### Author:  [@hhyyrylainen](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/hhyyrylainen)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2023, 6:59pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-multicellular-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/447/198 "2023-02-28T18:59:18Z")
Because that thread doesn’t link back to here in its first post like all the other ideas thread in the series do. Probably has something to do with the fact that that thread has a different author than the other ones.
For reference and easy clicking this is that microbe variant of this thread:
> [@Ideas for the Microbe Stage \[Put your ideas in this thread\]](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-microbe-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/1885):
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> In this thread, we will discuss not only ideas for microbial stage, but also the priority of changes, fixes and the said ideas, meaning you don’t have to contribute just with new ideas, but also to bring attention to something, that’s ought to be fixed and in your opinion has a high priority of being fixed. You get the point. And maybe we’ll even have a ̶s̶t̶r̶i̶p̶p̶e̶r̶ ̶m̶a̶g̶i̶c̶i̶a̶n̶ a poll. So let’s divide them a bit to make it more simple. I will even give some example contribution to e…
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### Author:  [@HexapodPhilosopher](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/HexapodPhilosopher)
#### Post date: [April 1, 2023, 11:04am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-multicellular-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/447/200 "2023-04-01T11:04:44Z")
> [@willow](#):
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> it should … (like in real life) be named after the species that evolved it first if possible.
I love the idea that luciferin was named after the first creature that evolved it. 🤣
Anyway, the multicellular editor should have stats for the entire creature. I’m assuming that’s already intended, though.
I also think that there should be a simpler set of graphics for the organelles in multicell, when zoomed out (and dependant on graphics settings). I mean, does it really make any difference to have 3d models for all the organelles, when they are barely visible on screen? If they were replaced by 2d images, a lot of people would notice no difference. An LOD system could probably make a huge difference to performance for low-end machines.
Also, I think it should be possible to zoom out the view in multicell quite a bit further. I made a creature from large cells (size 90+ in the editor), and I struggled to see anything when going up- or down-screen. Here’s a pic:
[](https://ibb.co/Ldjtj8L)
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### Author:  [@hhyyrylainen](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/hhyyrylainen)
#### Post date: [April 1, 2023, 6:07pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-multicellular-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/447/201 "2023-04-01T18:07:35Z")
> [@HexapodPhilosopher](#):
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> An LOD system could probably make a huge difference to performance for low-end machines.
Actually disabling all of the organelle graphics doesn’t help in low performance situations.
Here’s my profiling results:
> **[Increasing game performance](https://forum.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/increasing-game-performance/841/21)**
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> I was given a save to test multicellular performance. In it at the lowest I got around 8-15 FPS (with normal entity limit and lowering the thread count and increasing cloud simulation interval to get cleaner profiling data). One thing that most...
Feel free to prove me wrong but I’ll only accept actual profiling numbers.
> [@HexapodPhilosopher](#):
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> Also, I think it should be possible to zoom out the view in multicell quite a bit further.
There’s been an open issue about this since 2021:
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> as a big colony can take up a pretty large amount of the screen.
We need way more volunteer programmers to have any chance of implementing all of our issue backlog before the heat death of the universe (especially considering as the open issue count keeps ballooning up and up).
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### Author:  [@willow](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/willow)
#### Post date: [April 1, 2023, 8:13pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-multicellular-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/447/202 "2023-04-01T20:13:08Z")
external gills should allow breathing on land as long as they stay hydrated like with [axolotls](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axolotl)
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an effect of this would be a few more playstyles opening up like amphibians with pores on their external gills to release water onto them to keep them hydrated at the cost of water in the creature’s body and likely using them as pseudoleaves due to high surface area making mixothrophic axolotls in some playthroughs that can survive in anoxic environments as long as they have CO2 to intake
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### Author:  [@CatSquared](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/CatSquared)
#### Post date: [October 25, 2023, 1:02pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/ideas-for-the-multicellular-stage-put-your-ideas-in-this-thread/447/203 "2023-10-25T13:02:58Z")
_Explosive cells._
This may sound stupid, mainly because it is, but here me out. There would be cells that would combust, propelling the organism forward. This would also damage other organisms, allowing use from both predator and prey.
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