That’s a problem on part, but it is possible for a hive can become a civilization, which I should probably add, if it is inhabited by sentient creatures along with the other parameters on my part, that’s a society center.
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If i am understanding you, it is your opinion that:
- Something can be a “Settlement” without containing a “Social Center”
- A Social Center requires MULTIPLE buildings
This begs the questions:
- What is a Settlement?
- How many structures does a Settlement need to qualify as a Social Structure?
Could you be more specific?
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So do some structures like hives, nests, etc have an innate capability to become society centers upon entering awakening?
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Yes, there can be settlements, but can be abandoned, and hence not a society center, and yes hives, nests, etc can become society centers. Just imagine if the Bee Movie was real; isn’t that a society center?
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That was the point of my suggestion of requiring parts of the structure to be made with tools. They invent tools, now they are Awakened. Then they use the tools to alter their structure, now they are social. Takes AT LEAST 1 turn that way. Hopefully more.
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I agree with what you’re getting at, I do see why a society center should be made by the species’ own tools
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Speaking of, would Mongol empire be understood as a late mesolithic “civ” conquering meso/neolithic civs/societies like an empire?
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The Mongol Empire primarily relied on nomadic herding rather than farming, with livestock raising accounting for most of its agricultural production. However, some grain cultivation did occur, particularly in the wetter northern regions, where crops like wheat and barley were grown.”
The Mongol Steppe did do farming, even though they were mostly nomadic herders.
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Were they society stage or late awakening still?
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They also did use iron weapons, so technically you could classify them in the Society Stage.
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Okay that clears up this topic. Btw do not post two posts in a row, instead edit your latest post.
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I’ll have to see when I have the time to read it all, but good effort!
I will have to agree with some things mentioned around here that considering the existence of nomadic empires, permanent settlements should not be a hard requirement for Society Stage.
I think Awakening stage will be a scene of genetic and cultural co-evolution, with the Society stage focusing more on the latter by removing most of the former. That is also connected to the time-scale switch between the two stages.
So my initial impression is that the switch between the two stages should be some difference in organisation. (Development of the state taken in a slightly broader way might not be a bad start)
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Would that bring the beginning point of society stage closer to the first cities? Or do we assume the necessary level of organization only first lies in the first city-states that emerged alongside pottery and writing?
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Pottery seems like a typical thing that originated at a specific time on earth, but should not be assumed to be the same in a completely alien context like Thrive.
Similarly, writing is a bad indicator because even earth had highly organised states that existed without writing.
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Would writing be needed to advance to industrial of space then? Since I kind of can’t imagine it still not being around by then.
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Would some biomes be more favorable/or easier for city states to form in? Like if a species lives in a desert versus a forest?
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I think they could be more frequent in biomes that force populaces to live closely together like in some river valleys
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I am curious if the species’ genetic traits could alter where it would live more effectively. If it is amphibious for example, it would definitely need to be around water until, at least, water supply is transportable.
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That would most definitely have a huge impact on where those first cities are formed
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And if it is high altitude bird-like species, perhaps they might prefer making cities on mountain tops, akin to Macchu Picchu.
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