# Immortality talk **URL:** \ **Category:** Not Thrive\ **Created:** [June 30, 2025, 5:50pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/immortality-talk/8539 "2025-06-30T17:50:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![willow](https://thrivecommunity-cdn.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/willow/32/15176_2.png) [@willow](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/willow)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 2:20pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/immortality-talk/8539/41 "2025-07-02T14:20:46Z")
same way we came up with that theory. inside a black hole with no angular momentum, space isn’t limited, but time is, as eventually, you reach a point where time simply ends. however, we have yet to discover a black hole that doesn’t rotate, so you need to change the model to represent a spinning black hole. which has a core that is an infinitely dense torus, or a ringularity. and within a spinning black hole, if you wait long enough, there should be a time between universes where you are in a bubble of positive matter, and outside that bubble, there is only negative matter then, if you wait longer, you should get shot out of a white hole and likely, if this universe formed due to the big crunch of the last, everyone would have destroyed themselves or escaped to a separate universe, _before_ the big crunch. ---
**Author:** ![aah31415](https://thrivecommunity-cdn.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/aah31415/32/14564_2.png) [@aah31415](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/aah31415)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 2:22pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/immortality-talk/8539/42 "2025-07-02T14:22:21Z")
How do you resist the absurb gravitational forces whilst waiting inside the BH? ---
**Author:** ![willow](https://thrivecommunity-cdn.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/willow/32/15176_2.png) [@willow](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/willow)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 2:23pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/immortality-talk/8539/43 "2025-07-02T14:23:28Z")
that part’s actually pretty simple you just go in through one of the poles, and make your craft be as solid as you can get it ---
**Author:** ![aah31415](https://thrivecommunity-cdn.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/aah31415/32/14564_2.png) [@aah31415](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/aah31415)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 2:24pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/immortality-talk/8539/44 "2025-07-02T14:24:19Z")
The thing is, once you reached the “ringularity”, wouldn’t the forces start affecting the spaceship from the sides? ---
**Author:** ![willow](https://thrivecommunity-cdn.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/willow/32/15176_2.png) [@willow](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/willow)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 2:25pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/immortality-talk/8539/45 "2025-07-02T14:25:40Z")
doesn’t positive gravity pulling on you equally from all sides average out to 0? ---
**Author:** ![Poodelicus](https://thrivecommunity-cdn.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/poodelicus/32/14372_2.png) [@Poodelicus](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/Poodelicus)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 2:26pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/immortality-talk/8539/46 "2025-07-02T14:26:31Z")
> [@willow](#): > > congratulations, you would not survive past 30 in paleolithic or neolithic times. Wasn’t 30 in Paleolithic times old? ---
**Author:** ![aah31415](https://thrivecommunity-cdn.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/aah31415/32/14564_2.png) [@aah31415](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/aah31415)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 2:27pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/immortality-talk/8539/47 "2025-07-02T14:27:09Z")
Pretty sure you would get ripped apart. If two people pull a rope it’s not like there is no force on it, for tension is exerted. ---
**Author:** ![willow](https://thrivecommunity-cdn.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/willow/32/15176_2.png) [@willow](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/willow)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 2:31pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/immortality-talk/8539/48 "2025-07-02T14:31:25Z")
no, it was the _average_ life expectancy. if you made it to adulthood, you were still pretty likely to get up to 60 or 70the infant mortality rates just dragged that down _a lot._ > [@aah31415](#): > > Pretty sure you would get ripped apart. If two people pull a rope it’s not like there is no force on it, for tension is exerted. that’s an example of force that is exerted only from two parts gravity pulls on every atom in your craft, based on the mass attracting you, based on this formula F = (G \* m1 \* m2) / d^2 and since you are being pulled on equally from all sides once you reach the center of the black hole, by every atom, it should average out to 0 in the center ---
**Author:** ![aah31415](https://thrivecommunity-cdn.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/aah31415/32/14564_2.png) [@aah31415](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/aah31415)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 2:32pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/immortality-talk/8539/49 "2025-07-02T14:32:15Z")
Also pretty sure spaceships can’t protect you from spagettification ---
**Author:** ![Oncpapa](https://thrivecommunity-cdn.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/oncpapa/32/16130_2.png) [@Oncpapa](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/Oncpapa)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 2:33pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/immortality-talk/8539/50 "2025-07-02T14:33:20Z")
Most pre-industrial societies have their average age brought down by monstrously high child mortality rates. If you survive to your 20s you have a very reasonable shot to make it to your 50s, generally; assuming you don’t take part in anything that’ll kill you first like war, hunting, or childbirth. It is possible live to 100 with a traditional lifestyle. ---
**Author:** ![willow](https://thrivecommunity-cdn.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/willow/32/15176_2.png) [@willow](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/willow)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 2:41pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/immortality-talk/8539/51 "2025-07-02T14:41:54Z")
that’s why you go in through the poles. and large black holes(over the diameter of the earth iirc) don’t do spaghettification unless you get stuck in the ecretion disc ---
**Author:** ![aah31415](https://thrivecommunity-cdn.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/aah31415/32/14564_2.png) [@aah31415](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/aah31415)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 2:42pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/immortality-talk/8539/52 "2025-07-02T14:42:27Z")
Also are you sure the ringularity would be large enough to allow you to enter a new universe? ---
**Author:** ![willow](https://thrivecommunity-cdn.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/willow/32/15176_2.png) [@willow](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/willow)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 2:43pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/immortality-talk/8539/53 "2025-07-02T14:43:04Z")
if it isn’t, find a bigger back hole with more angular momentum. you don’t even need to go inside a black hole to check the diameter of the ringularity it’s a pretty simple equation that you can perform with information gathered outside the black hole mainly from the ecretion disc ---
**Author:** ![aah31415](https://thrivecommunity-cdn.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/aah31415/32/14564_2.png) [@aah31415](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/aah31415)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 2:43pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/immortality-talk/8539/54 "2025-07-02T14:43:53Z")
What if NO black hole makes a ringulartity large enough? Also how would you go back from a bad BH to check on other BHs? ---
**Author:** ![fralegend015](https://thrivecommunity-cdn.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/fralegend015/32/11835_2.png) [@fralegend015](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/fralegend015)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 2:46pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/immortality-talk/8539/55 "2025-07-02T14:46:03Z")
> [@willow](#): > > and any immortal that’s not an irreprehensible idiot would know that there are 5 things you can’t just ‘get bored of’ > your hobbies > people you like > challenges in an area you are interested in > special interests > making things with your hands You are still assuming that immortality is just a “very long lifespan”, and as such you are applying your finite experience of just a few decades to it. The very fact that your brain is made to survive in a neolithic tribe is further evidence that you can’t endure immortality, your brain is simply not designed for it; there is no way to design a mind for immortality that doesn’t fall into either: a being that does nothing because it has no drive or want (and therefore is impossible to fall into boredom) or reinventing death by making it forget its experiences after a certain point or some simile. > [@willow](#): > > and also, we literally don’t know whether the universe is finite or infinite, just that the _observable_ universe is finite. Wether the universe is infinite or finite is irrelevant, it is composed of finite elements, and any set that is composed of finite elements will have finite combinations of them. > [@willow](#): > > given the fact that a computer can have any number of bits arranged in any number of ways, the amount of combinations of bits that act completely different, and make an actually playable game, would necessarily be infinite. There is only a finite amount of meaningfull patterns that the bits can take, even assuming infinite bits, the patterns would result in repetition. > [@willow](#): > > if you can’t find something that you can’t get bored of, that’s a you problem. > [@willow](#): > > literally just cycle through things. > if you can’t do things multiple times, thousands of years apart, or find a hobby, that’s a you problem. > and people generally don’t just get bored of things they find relaxing. > [@willow](#): > > except it literally takes several times the estimated lifespan of the universe for it to be capable of creating even a bubble that even mimics something that exists in a finite universe. These three sections are further evidence that you still think of it as a “very long lifespan” instead of understanding the infinity of immortality. Cycling through things will buy you some more time, but that doesn’t matter because you will still have an infinite amount of time to live afterwards. You are also still applying a finite experience to an infinite one, people don’t get bored of literally everything because they don’t experience things billions of times. Also, being relaxed and bored aren’t mutually exclusive, something can make you feel both ways at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![willow](https://thrivecommunity-cdn.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/willow/32/15176_2.png) [@willow](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/willow)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 3:23pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/immortality-talk/8539/56 "2025-07-02T15:23:50Z")
> [@aah31415](#): > > What if NO black hole makes a ringulartity large enough? it is physically impossible for that to be the case. and if it is, just spin the black hole faster. > [@aah31415](#): > > Also how would you go back from a bad BH to check on other BHs? you don’t. you have to calculate the size of the ringularity while _outside_ of the black hole. > [@THE NEW Miscellaneous Talk That Doesn't Deserve A New Thread Thread Thread (Part 2)](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/the-new-miscellaneous-talk-that-doesnt-deserve-a-new-thread-thread-thread-part-2/5842/8295): > > You are still assuming that immortality is just a “very long lifespan”, and as such you are applying your finite experience of just a few decades to it. 🤦‍♀️ i am applying the fact that literally nobody gets permanently bored of their hobbies unless through trauma or severe burnout. not experience from my life. > [@THE NEW Miscellaneous Talk That Doesn't Deserve A New Thread Thread Thread (Part 2)](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/the-new-miscellaneous-talk-that-doesnt-deserve-a-new-thread-thread-thread-part-2/5842/8295): > > The very fact that your brain is made to survive in a neolithic tribe is further evidence that you can’t endure immortality, your brain is simply not designed for it you know the sole, actually extant limiting factor we have found for the lifespan of a human brain is how long the cells can live, right? we literally have not tested the long-term effects of amortality, much less _im_mortality. and thus, saying anything for certain about infinite timescales and the human mind, that isn’t extrapolating from information about how humans currently work, is stupid and illogical. > [@THE NEW Miscellaneous Talk That Doesn't Deserve A New Thread Thread Thread (Part 2)](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/the-new-miscellaneous-talk-that-doesnt-deserve-a-new-thread-thread-thread-part-2/5842/8295): > > there is no way to design a mind for immortality that doesn’t fall into either: a being that does nothing because it has no drive or want (and therefore is impossible to fall into boredom) or reinventing death by making it forget its experiences after a certain point or some simile. literally just find a hobby, and few people you can handle being around forever. that is literally all you need to be mentally capable of withstanding true immortality. well, a very significant pain tolerance may be necessary as well. > [@THE NEW Miscellaneous Talk That Doesn't Deserve A New Thread Thread Thread (Part 2)](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/the-new-miscellaneous-talk-that-doesnt-deserve-a-new-thread-thread-thread-part-2/5842/8295): > > Wether the universe is infinite or finite is irrelevant, it is composed of finite elements, and any set that is composed of finite elements will have finite combinations of them. finite can still be a countable infinity. and a countable infinity is a number so large that it is unreasonable to assume that you could go through all of them, for some, even in all the time it would take for a universe that is past the heat death to reach singularity which is hundreds of googolplexes of years, and happens due to hawking radiation. > [@THE NEW Miscellaneous Talk That Doesn't Deserve A New Thread Thread Thread (Part 2)](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/the-new-miscellaneous-talk-that-doesnt-deserve-a-new-thread-thread-thread-part-2/5842/8295): > > There is only a finite amount of meaningfull patterns that the bits can take, even assuming infinite bits, the patterns would result in repetition. and? you know that people just start playing modpacks if they get bored of vanilla minecraft right? same with factorio and vintage story and literally every game with support for mods. if you get bored of real life, simulate a universe identical to your own, and then Belgiuming **_mod it._** > [@THE NEW Miscellaneous Talk That Doesn't Deserve A New Thread Thread Thread (Part 2)](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/the-new-miscellaneous-talk-that-doesnt-deserve-a-new-thread-thread-thread-part-2/5842/8295): > > These three sections are further evidence that you still think of it as a “very long lifespan” instead of understanding the infinity of immortality. Cycling through things will buy you some more time, but that doesn’t matter because you will still have an infinite amount of time to live afterwards. 🤦‍♀️ again. if you can’t find something you are incapable of getting bored of. that is a _you_ problem. not a _universal_ problem. > [@THE NEW Miscellaneous Talk That Doesn't Deserve A New Thread Thread Thread (Part 2)](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/the-new-miscellaneous-talk-that-doesnt-deserve-a-new-thread-thread-thread-part-2/5842/8295): > > You are also still applying a finite experience to an infinite one, people don’t get bored of literally everything because they don’t experience things billions of times. Also, being relaxed and bored aren’t mutually exclusive, something can make you feel both ways at the same time. literally just use the fact that you are an animal with instincts, and find ways to make you have to use those instincts. make a game where you live out the lives of sophonts across all of possible history. if you get bored of your body, mod it. if you get bored of your environment, change it. if you get bored of your simulated predators, make them stronger, faster, and better at killing you. if you get bored of the laws of the universe, add new ones to your simulation. if you get bored of the conversations you have with the people you are spending eternity with, tell them. perhaps start speaking only in riddles and rhymes perhaps start looking very intently on one spot on their face until you’ve convinced them that there’s something on their face perhaps start playing harmless pranks on them perhaps start doing weird stuff with your body that it doesn’t look like it should be able to do, to see how they react if all else fails, find new people to talk to. if you get bored of any of your hobbies, find a way to give yourself a challenge. get bored of doing pottery? try doing it with a new material get bored of doing art? find new colors and some new inspiration get bored of playing a game? Belgiuming mod it. get bored of sewing? try doing it in a new way get bored of one of your sports? change up your body to give yourself a challenge, or to make it more fun, or play against new people. get bored of exercise? well, good luck keeping your body mobile if that happens for any period of time over 3 months. but also, getting bored of exercise almost always indicates a bigger problem, like depression. get bored of all your senses? give yourself new ones. get bored because your mind isn’t active enough, or because you’re not able to do enough at a time? make all of your body cells have their own brains, and give yourself total control over their movements, and their gene expression. ---
**Author:** ![aah31415](https://thrivecommunity-cdn.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/aah31415/32/14564_2.png) [@aah31415](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/aah31415)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 3:27pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/immortality-talk/8539/57 "2025-07-02T15:27:29Z")
Are we still arguing about immortality or being a “god” at this point? ---
**Author:** ![willow](https://thrivecommunity-cdn.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/willow/32/15176_2.png) [@willow](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/willow)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 3:29pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/immortality-talk/8539/58 "2025-07-02T15:29:24Z")
if you’re 5 trillion years old and still don’t know how to become a capital G God, that’s just a skill issue. ---
**Author:** ![aah31415](https://thrivecommunity-cdn.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/aah31415/32/14564_2.png) [@aah31415](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/aah31415)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 3:29pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/immortality-talk/8539/59 "2025-07-02T15:29:48Z")
What IS a “GOD” then? ---
**Author:** ![willow](https://thrivecommunity-cdn.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/willow/32/15176_2.png) [@willow](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/willow)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 3:30pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/immortality-talk/8539/60 "2025-07-02T15:30:28Z")
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