# It's possible to produce Mucilage faster than the mucocyst can consume it
**URL:** https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/its-possible-to-produce-mucilage-faster-than-the-mucocyst-can-consume-it/8638
**Category:** Bug Reports
**Created:** [September 1, 2025, 11:30am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/its-possible-to-produce-mucilage-faster-than-the-mucocyst-can-consume-it/8638 "2025-09-01T11:30:59Z")
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### Author:  [@Rathalos](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/Rathalos)
#### Post date: [September 1, 2025, 11:30am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/its-possible-to-produce-mucilage-faster-than-the-mucocyst-can-consume-it/8638/1 "2025-09-01T11:30:59Z")
See attached save: [Download Novecian\_moceae.thrivesave | LimeWire](https://limewire.com/d/kGnjP#5s9ZbHA5aA)
My cell has:
- One slime jet
- One mucocyst
- Is almost done growing, so has doubled one or both of these
Some combination of this has lead to this scenario where mucilage is produced faster than the shield consumes it. Thus making my cell eternally invulnerable to external attack.
I think this was explicitly something you wanted to avoid?
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### Author:  [@aah31415](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/aah31415)
#### Post date: [September 1, 2025, 11:36am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/its-possible-to-produce-mucilage-faster-than-the-mucocyst-can-consume-it/8638/2 "2025-09-01T11:36:09Z")
I suppose the extra mucilage production value that allows this to happen comes from the slime jets? Because I’m pretty sure mucocysts were heavily balanced to prevent them from producing more mucilage than the shield consumes.
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### Author:  [@Rathalos](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/Rathalos)
#### Post date: [September 1, 2025, 11:38am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/its-possible-to-produce-mucilage-faster-than-the-mucocyst-can-consume-it/8638/3 "2025-09-01T11:38:51Z")
Was my initial thought yes, but the reproduction progress definitely factors in, because this species does not achieve this in the base form.
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### Author:  [@hhyyrylainen](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/hhyyrylainen)
#### Post date: [September 1, 2025, 11:41am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/its-possible-to-produce-mucilage-faster-than-the-mucocyst-can-consume-it/8638/4 "2025-09-01T11:41:59Z")
As far as I can tell from quickly looking at the code, the mucocyst shield keeping active cost is just a constant 0.7 per second. So as long as you produce more mucilage than that per second, you can keep it active indefinitely.
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### Author:  [@Rathalos](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/Rathalos)
#### Post date: [September 1, 2025, 11:46am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/its-possible-to-produce-mucilage-faster-than-the-mucocyst-can-consume-it/8638/5 "2025-09-01T11:46:42Z")
Oh, don’t know why I assumed this was specifically supposed to be countered. Maybe I am misremembering a discussion from somewhere?
But thank you for checking!
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### Author:  [@hhyyrylainen](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/hhyyrylainen)
#### Post date: [September 1, 2025, 11:49am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/its-possible-to-produce-mucilage-faster-than-the-mucocyst-can-consume-it/8638/6 "2025-09-01T11:49:31Z")
I think it was probably meant to be countered, but there’s no evidence in the code that there’s any attempt at making the cost scale based on mucocyst count or the cell size. I pinged Deus anyway on the dev discord about this.
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### Author:  [@Nonametoseehere](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/Nonametoseehere)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2025, 5:44am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/its-possible-to-produce-mucilage-faster-than-the-mucocyst-can-consume-it/8638/7 "2025-09-02T05:44:39Z")
Could you just multiply the production of mucilage by 0 when using the mucocyst? Or does the game not handle production and consumption as separate variables?
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### Author:  [@aah31415](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/aah31415)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2025, 5:47am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/its-possible-to-produce-mucilage-faster-than-the-mucocyst-can-consume-it/8638/8 "2025-09-02T05:47:39Z")
I think it’s separate processes in the processes tab, but perhaps this solution would bring some unwanted problems?
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### Author:  [@hhyyrylainen](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/hhyyrylainen)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2025, 6:40am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/its-possible-to-produce-mucilage-faster-than-the-mucocyst-can-consume-it/8638/9 "2025-09-02T06:40:42Z")
Thrive is a simulation game where systems are designed to do consistent things, like the bioprocesses don’t just suddenly freeze depending on the cell status. So it would be an extreme abuse of the current game structure to make it so that enabling the mucocyst would be able to free one or more bioprocesses the cell would otherwise be running.
The bioprocessing system actually has no knowledge that it is converting compounds in a cell, it just has access to a list of bioprocesses it should run and the compound storage associated with the process inputs and outputs. So it would dirty up the clean design of the bioprocess system to force it to know about the cell state and specifically suppress hardcoded processes when the cell is in mucocyst state.
In many cases like this (and for example Deus commented on Discord that it might be nice to only allow using the mucocyst once per life) it would be easy to design specific gameplay effects we might want to see, but Thrive is not a game like that. Thrive is built as a simulation that we _try_ to control to also have good gameplay, but that is often very hard as messing with the simulation is hard to get the right gameplay effect.
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### Author:  [@Nonametoseehere](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/Nonametoseehere)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2025, 8:27am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/its-possible-to-produce-mucilage-faster-than-the-mucocyst-can-consume-it/8638/10 "2025-09-02T08:27:09Z")
I didn’t realize it worked that way, but that makes a lot of sense. I’m very new to programming and just embrace the spaghetti code, so it’s really interesting to see the designs of people who know what they’re doing.
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### Author:  [@aah31415](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/aah31415)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2025, 8:30am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/its-possible-to-produce-mucilage-faster-than-the-mucocyst-can-consume-it/8638/11 "2025-09-02T08:30:49Z")
So I suppose at least the youth of a species can’t use this strategy, which could possibly lead to some interesting behaviours emerging…
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### Author:  [@Rathalos](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/Rathalos)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2025, 8:35am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/its-possible-to-produce-mucilage-faster-than-the-mucocyst-can-consume-it/8638/12 "2025-09-02T08:35:01Z")
Oh they absolutely can, just need 4 mucilage-producing organelles. The species from the start of this thread just had 2, so needed to double them to have enough.
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### Author:  [@aah31415](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/aah31415)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2025, 9:18am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/its-possible-to-produce-mucilage-faster-than-the-mucocyst-can-consume-it/8638/13 "2025-09-02T09:18:56Z")
If all members of the species can be 100% immune, I’d call that a broken strategy… Though endospores are popular amongst real life microbes already so the strategy is rooted in reality somewhat I think.
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### Author:  [@AnthropocenianAge](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/AnthropocenianAge)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2025, 6:55am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/its-possible-to-produce-mucilage-faster-than-the-mucocyst-can-consume-it/8638/14 "2025-09-03T06:55:08Z")
Is this affected by whether the Mucocyst or Slime Jet reproduces first, or does the reproduction order not matter?
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### Author:  [@aah31415](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/aah31415)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2025, 7:40am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/its-possible-to-produce-mucilage-faster-than-the-mucocyst-can-consume-it/8638/15 "2025-09-03T07:40:07Z")
They said with enough you can achieve the effect without even growing
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### Author:  [@hhyyrylainen](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/hhyyrylainen)
#### Post date: [September 3, 2025, 7:59am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/its-possible-to-produce-mucilage-faster-than-the-mucocyst-can-consume-it/8638/16 "2025-09-03T07:59:21Z")
I’m pretty sure the slime jets and mucocysts produce the same amount of mucilage so their individual counts don’t really matter, just the total and that you have at least one mucocyst.