# Slavery Take Two
**URL:** https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/slavery-take-two/1128
**Category:** Future Game
**Created:** [November 8, 2018, 1:49pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/slavery-take-two/1128 "2018-11-08T13:49:24Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@blackjacksike](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/blackjacksike)
#### Post date: [November 22, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/slavery-take-two/1128/41 "2020-11-22T17:38:50Z")
> [@Sentiant](#):
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> And dedicating an entire slave just to reproduction seems a bit weird
By that I meant:
> **Mature Theme - Your discretion is advised**
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> Sex slaves. They are slaves meant to be literally, _you-know_… I just didn’t want to put it like that.
> [@Sentiant](#):
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> battle-thralls
Good. It’s added to the list.
> [@Sentiant](#):
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> livestock
That only works if your civilization is cannibalistic, which is unlikely because it wastes your population’s birth rate.
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### Author:  [@Sentiant](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/Sentiant)
#### Post date: [November 22, 2020, 7:10pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/slavery-take-two/1128/42 "2020-11-22T19:10:33Z")
> [@blackjacksike](#):
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> That only works if your civilization is cannibalistic, which is unlikely because it wastes your population’s birth rate.
Or if the slaves are of a different sapient species. I agree that devoting an entire sapient being to being eaten seems wasteful, but consider that:
1. The slave could still do other things before being slaughtered, combining this type with something else could work.
2. Cannibalism does exist. Multiple real human cultures have somehow independently come to the conclusion that this is a good idea. It’s more of a cultural thing than a serious attempt at getting more food production.
Sex slaves sound like a special form of entertainment to me, not their own type.
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### Author:  [@blackjacksike](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/blackjacksike)
#### Post date: [November 23, 2020, 3:21pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/slavery-take-two/1128/43 "2020-11-23T15:21:09Z")
> [@Sentiant](#):
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> Cannibalism does exist. Multiple real human cultures have somehow independently come to the conclusion that this is a good idea. It’s more of a cultural thing than a serious attempt at getting more food production.
And we Occidentals arrived and killed them all…
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### Author:  [@OmnipotentFNarr](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/OmnipotentFNarr)
#### Post date: [November 23, 2020, 7:24pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/slavery-take-two/1128/44 "2020-11-23T19:24:29Z")
Actually, if anything, [they killed themselves](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)). It’s fascinating how the population developed immunity so quickly.
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### Author:  [@BurgeonBlas](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/BurgeonBlas)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2022, 10:36pm UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/slavery-take-two/1128/46 "2022-05-10T22:36:57Z")
This thread seems very narrow-sighted
There are a myriad of assumptions, such as:
- Ownership exists
- People tend to own themselves
- People value freedom
- People can do useful work as slaves
I’d say that slavery wouldn’t actually be a definable idea, given the wide array of possibilities and ideas involved
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### Author:  [@hhyyrylainen](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/hhyyrylainen)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2022, 6:06am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/slavery-take-two/1128/48 "2022-05-11T06:06:55Z")
But you just defined the variations proving yourself wrong???
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### Author:  [@BurgeonBlas](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/BurgeonBlas)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2022, 7:12am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/slavery-take-two/1128/49 "2022-05-11T07:12:09Z")
Yes, I did state some factors that would affect how slavery works and if it is present. But, this is not itself a definition of slavery. If you disagree on this point, simply try and rewrite it to be a traditional definition
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### Author:  [@hhyyrylainen](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/hhyyrylainen)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2022, 7:21am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/slavery-take-two/1128/50 "2022-05-11T07:21:08Z")
Here you go:
> **[Slavery](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery)**
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> Slavery and enslavement are both the state and the condition of being a slave, who is someone forbidden to quit their service for an enslaver, and who is treated by the enslaver as their property. Slavery typically involves the enslaved person being made to perform some form of work while also having their location or residence dictated by the enslaver. Many historical cases of enslavement occurred when the enslaved broke the law, became indebted, or suffered a military defeat; other for In c...
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### Author:  [@BurgeonBlas](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/BurgeonBlas)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2022, 7:28am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/slavery-take-two/1128/51 "2022-05-11T07:28:14Z")
So would sapient zooids in a colony be slaves? And if so, who is the owner?
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### Author:  [@PositiveTower](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/PositiveTower)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2022, 7:33am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/slavery-take-two/1128/53 "2022-05-11T07:33:53Z")
I mean if they are willing then they aren’t slaves. Just a normal worker
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### Author:  [@BurgeonBlas](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/BurgeonBlas)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2022, 7:37am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/slavery-take-two/1128/54 "2022-05-11T07:37:25Z")
If that is the standard, everyone would be slaves in all societies where food and such essentials are traded
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### Author:  [@PositiveTower](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/PositiveTower)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2022, 7:51am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/slavery-take-two/1128/55 "2022-05-11T07:51:51Z")
By your logic, hunting is slavery since you are forced to gather food to prevent starvation
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### Author:  [@BurgeonBlas](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/BurgeonBlas)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2022, 7:54am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/slavery-take-two/1128/56 "2022-05-11T07:54:50Z")
If you want to go there, then yes, your definition of slavery completely excludes the possibility of nonslavery, and so it is useless
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### Author:  [@PositiveTower](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/PositiveTower)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2022, 8:09am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/slavery-take-two/1128/57 "2022-05-11T08:09:26Z")
One is being force to work by an owner, one is not. You can’t quit being a slave but you can quit being a craftsman or a farmer
“Slavery and enslavement are both the state and the condition of being a slave, who is someone forbidden to quit their service for an enslaver, and who is treated by the enslaver as their property.”
I was saying that in your example, they were willing while a slave isn’t willing to be a slave, huge difference
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### Author:  [@BurgeonBlas](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/BurgeonBlas)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2022, 8:23am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/slavery-take-two/1128/58 "2022-05-11T08:23:16Z")
That’s still not a very sharp definition. For example, take the case of a pacifist in a species with extremely strong defensive instincts, ending up working instinctively as a soldier. They’re fighting against their will, and they can’t quit their brain, so it fits your criteria. Yet, who is the enslaver? Their brain?
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### Author:  [@PositiveTower](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/PositiveTower)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2022, 8:26am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/slavery-take-two/1128/59 "2022-05-11T08:26:27Z")
Nah man they are doing it willingly
I think you are just thinking about it too much
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### Author:  [@BurgeonBlas](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/BurgeonBlas)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2022, 8:31am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/slavery-take-two/1128/60 "2022-05-11T08:31:43Z")
So would it also be willing (and hence not slavery) to install some sort of mind control circuit in someone’s brain to force them to work for you?
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### Author:  [@PositiveTower](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/PositiveTower)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2022, 9:07am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/slavery-take-two/1128/61 "2022-05-11T09:07:09Z")
Yes it is since someone is doing to you. If you hadn’t agree to the change firdt
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### Author:  [@BurgeonBlas](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/BurgeonBlas)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2022, 9:42am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/slavery-take-two/1128/62 "2022-05-11T09:42:31Z")
Why is that relevant to what a being is willing to do? Also, what is ‘someone’? What are the criteria?
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### Author:  [@PositiveTower](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/u/PositiveTower)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2022, 9:44am UTC](https://community.revolutionarygamesstudio.com/t/slavery-take-two/1128/63 "2022-05-11T09:44:24Z")
We are going into philosophical territory more than game development at this point
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