Societal and Technological Differences for Species Without Arms/Hands

TristanMisja · November 23, 2022, 10:41pm

Okay, sorry, I just wanted to share.

willow · November 25, 2022, 4:57am

willow:

one possible alternative to hands is telepathy via radio wave detection and production organs and another organism to act as it’s hands and as long as the other organism has a reason to follow the instructions it will likely do so (ex: it is an organism that it relies on to process things) to benefit itself and how this relationship would evolve is the organism trying to manipulate an object had ancestors that used radiowaves to communicate with each other and the organism being used to do the manipulating had ancestors that also used radiowaves to communicate but didn’t have the ability to see as radiowaves aren’t exactly the best for visual input and higher frequencies are much better but it didn’t have the ability to use higher frequencies and the organism trying to do the manipulating did so it was the one that is more intelligent but doesn’t have manipulators in it’s dna

this comment is a fine example of a fine manipulator that does not technically belong to the organism and would have to have their own organs and be their own organisms therefore they would not technically be fine manipulators but that would be their main purpose and they would likely survive in the wild by acting like a group of carnivorous, packhunting, brittle stars (a type of normally detritovore starfish that has the ability to use radiowaves to communicate)

TristanMisja · November 25, 2022, 6:14am

So basically you’re saying that the organism would have a separate zooid for manipulating things? Also, biological radio communication is a bit overcomplicated. The two organisms could use colors, pheromones, or direct neural connections to communicate.

willow · November 25, 2022, 6:49am

i stated that they A. evolved them separately or B. had a common ancestor with them. also starfish already do it IRL

TristanMisja · November 25, 2022, 7:14am

What you’re talking about is a zooid.

willow · November 25, 2022, 7:26pm

what i’m talking about is two different species that have a symbiotic relationship not a colonial organism as they are not one entity they are likely three

TristanMisja · November 25, 2022, 7:54pm

Zooids have a symbiotic relationship. What you’re describing is an organism with a zooid for hands, although I don’t see why that would evolve rather than just limbs.

TwilightWings21 · November 25, 2022, 9:30pm

I think what willow is trying to say is that they are completely separate creatures with a symbiotic relationship, like rhinos and oxpecker birds.

They might have had a common ancestor way back which is why they can communicate, or maybe not and they both just evolved features to better suit their symbiosis. But they aren’t variations of the same organism.

That’s what I’m getting from what they’re saying, though idk for 100% sure tho ofc

willow · November 26, 2022, 5:16am

that is exactly what i was trying to say and you explained it better than i did