But those genes aren’t really used. Giruses are just as inert as other types of viruses.
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but it does raise questions about whether or not viruses existed before giruses or the other way around and if giruses first then where did they come from as it would have to be a cell. maybe they have a common ancestor with mitochondria.
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Where are you getting that from? Mitochondria were (probably) originally prokaryotes. Giruses are completely different, and they are not genetically related.
It may be possible that Giruses came about independently from other viruses, though. But they could also have come about from a virus incorrectly infecting something and then being reproduced with that organism’s genome.
giruses have evidence that points to them being prokaryotic endoparasites that simplified so much that they could only do 1 thing: pass on their genes. and they simplified themselves so much that they only required an amount of genes in the order of 10s
What evidence? Also, even if that is true, how does it matter?
just search giant viruses and you will find at least 20 websites saying that mitochondria and viruses have a common ancestor
it means that there will have to be a mechanism to evolve viruses in the game whether it is as a reproduction method for a cell or not
You need to be the one to provide the evidence, not the contrary.
That would be like me saying “You are wrong” “why?” “Search it yourself why you are wrong” oh wait, you qctually did something like this before.
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You need to actually provide sources, you can’t just say “look it up” when someone shows you are wrong because you didn’t source your claims in any way other than “trust me, bro”
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according to pubmed.ncbi
Giant viruses, virophages, and mitochondria have homologous DNA and RNA polymerases and share RNA splicing punctuation by stem-loop hairpins . Giant virus factories and amoeban mitochondria colocate, with viral proteins homologous to mitochondrial proteins specifically targeting mitochondrial inner membranes. and the oldest known giant viruses are 48,500 years old
nevermind there most definitely are viruses that were intracellular parasites that just simplified themselves that much but viruses are much older than that as Nudiviruses, which primarily affect insects and marine arthropods, date back to about 310 million years ago , making them the oldest known viruses in the world. i just misinterpreted information but transitioning from cell to virus or even just using viral particles to reproduce would likely be necessary for max realism
You should give the direct link rather than a Google redirect.
Huh, that’s interesting. Maybe Giruses are reduced relatives of Mitochondria. That, or they originally infected mitochondria.
That doesn’t make Giruses bacteria, though.
i never said they counted as bacteria i just said that their existence means there should be a way to transition from prokaryote to virus or at least just use viral particles for reproduction
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Maybe if you survive a virus infecting you, you get bonus mutation points from the extra RNA/DNA they inject into you. Otherwise, you just lose resources and explode after a certain amount of time. Maybe each virus has a certain chance to infect you and the more evolved you are the lower it is, it would help incentivize eukaryotic creatures in auto evo.
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Sounds good, but it should give a discount, not more mp.
I think it would be great at least to add in the not LAWK to add a DNA injector (Like a different type of pilus) that could corrupt a Cell and fill it with little micro versions of your cell that would break out. (it also might help to have the AI species only able to develop that in hard mode)
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What kind of requirements would you need to accomplish to unlock that organelle?
Also welcome to the Forum Magiccat!
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Thanks for the welcome aah31415!
I would say the cell would maybe have to have some storage to hold the DNA, (or RNA as it may be) and it might need a version of a nucleus to manufacture it, there might also need to be a more efficient ATP organelle that you unlock later on so you can keep your cell small. I just had the idea, I don’t know much about the code or how it could be implemented.
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That would be a whole new compound, which is a bit much for a singular organelle, though not unheard of…
Shouldn’t it be the other way, as in the cell being rather simple, like how viruses are rather simple lifeforms?
You mean something like the Eukaryotic organelles? What resource would it use to generate ATP?
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Again, I don’t know how this feature could be implemented very well, But yeah, maybe the cell would have to have a size limit (or need to be a certain size) to have the pilus, and some organelle that could produce ATP via injected cells or smth. Maybe the organelle you need to produce the D/RNA (or as you mentioned, maybe something smaller so a single organelle could produce it), could cost a lot of mutation points like the nucleus but on a different scale?
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Once you have acquired that pilus, could you then become eukaryotic and stuff while still having it’s functionality?
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