@Kemikal you are falling in the same shenaningans of BurgeonBlas, even if we were to accept the assumption (because it is just an assumption, you have showed no proof of it; I’m sorry if this hurts you, but if I were to follow your logic then I could claim that the impossible is possible and when they ask me for proof just say “haha, cope”) that it is possible to make these shapes, you have to explain how the forge works.
No, you have not. You tried to use “my logic” (not my logic) to prove me wrong, which you didn’t. Also, even assuming that wasn’t a strawman (which it is) you still would not have proven me wrong.
My argument is 3 questions, 3 questions which you are avoiding @Kemikal, answer it and you will have proven me wrong. And if you have no means of answering it… Then dont be avoidant.
The questions are: “How does this hypotetical underwater forge work?”, “what are the shapes needed to make this forge work?” and “Is it possible to use cold shaping to make these shapes or are they too complex?”
Its all so ridiculous… its all so f g ridiculous … even Deathwake has understood that underwater cold working is working the same as abovewater cold working. ITS THE SAME PRINCIPLE UNCHANGED. It can make any parts i want it to make from gold/copper maybe even iron/nickel. And as i stated above, simple metal sheets/slabs for constructing this very simple hot forge.
No, your argument was asking for proof that the forge is able to make the desired shapes for the hot forge. Which there isnt, i can only give you an explanation since none tried cold forging with stone dies underwater. Just like none has tried making wine before 6000BC.
Why do we even need underwater smelting as underwater creatures? I am sure you can make a floating platform and either hold breath ( How To - What Fish Can Survive the Longest Out of Water? | Live Science Forums ) or just make reverse scuba diving (strap some wooden buckets with water to your gills, its not that hard lol). Then you can just make a furnace! It would take a long time to discover that there are things you can do above water you can’t below water, but it would be possible! Now prove me wrong… (I am reviving this topic since it is the only one unlocked about underwater civilizations and I didn’t want to make another topic)
I know, the underwater metalworking/electricity argument has been done hundreds of times, and
I agree that it isn’t feasible in any way, but,
Is it possible that some sort of deep sea society could dig deep enough for there to be magma, and then using rocks or something shape that magma into what they need, and then let it cool?
Also, instead of electricity couldn’t an underwater civ use water pipes of some sort for “powering” certain machines?
I have the solution!
A wiki post formatted as such:
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This is a wiki post so if you have an idea just edit it in.
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… Alright I guess Hhyyrylainen put it here. I guess just put your solutions after the line below.
Hydrothermal vents
Use hydrothermal vents to smelt metal
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The hydrothermal vents produce heat that could be used to smelt metal, maybe by building a forge around them to capture the heat.
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The vents get to hot for most large creatures to stand at all, it literally boils the water around it. For a creature to withstand that heat, they would have to have a thick carapace to block the heat, and even the they would not withstand the heat long enough to build something or care that some rock melted.
It would take a lot longer for them to figure out, but it would be possible for them to make fire, even on an ocean world. If you can’t smeltal the meltal in water, just use air.
But everyone thought it was a joke. And maybe it was. But does it have to be? We know water is the problem. And you have to be inside the water to make an underwater civilisation. The logical conclusion is, get your hands out of the water. It checks all the boxes.
another thing you could do: have liquid hydrocarbon oceans and high oxygen levels in those oceans
Lipovomit
(A lone Slugcat who lost their family.)
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But then the oceans would literally burn, killing all life on the planet! (maybe, definitely all aquatic life, but not so sure about terrestrial life, but still, that’s going to cause a mass extinction!)
Edit: please, this isn’t funny, @50gens. Mass extinctions are no laughing matter. You want to preserve biodiversity, right?
no, there would be oxygen free areas of the oceans(like on earth) and the hydrocarbons would likely be replenished by a biological or geological process so the oceans would survive and so would any marine life that could move and store large amounts of oxygen or just live without oxygen
Lipovomit
(A lone Slugcat who lost their family.)
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I have no idea how fast hydrocarbons regenerate on Titan-class planets, and as such, i cannot give a valid counterargument.
g ridiculous … even Deathwake has understood that underwater cold working is working the same as abovewater cold working. ITS THE SAME PRINCIPLE UNCHANGED. It can make any parts i want it to make from gold/copper maybe even iron/nickel. And as i stated above, simple metal sheets/slabs for constructing this very simple hot forge.
