1.1.0 General Feedback Thread

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I thought it would be rather used if you don’t want to waste resources on doing stuff like making mucilage at a given point

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If I remember correctly, the cell processes did become inactive (in red letters), not just slowed down, especially Photosynthesis at night.

[punctdan]

Hmm, I’ll check it again in more focused manner tomorrow.

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Well that seems anomalyous and not like what the devs would want to happen

[punctdan]

I had this confusion and thought the progress bars were clickable at first. I initially thought the panel had processes separated by frames as a design choice except the fact that they were showing raw numbers as an extra.

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Ok now that I looked at the new process bars I think after it flashes up when hovering over a process it’s pretty clear what the stuff does, maybe I have treated it too harshly

[AlicellaGiganteaFan]

I’ve had fun on 1.1.0, but if I were to give a critique (which I don’t really know if this even applies to this version in particular) it’s that I wish that I had autonomy over the way bonds between cells forms in multicellular, because I tried making an organism with a specific shape (a wide head at the front with a slender body for gliding around and absorbing all of the little cells that are now common on this version) but cells kept bonding with cells in an order which did not follow my vision for the organism. I am quite fond of sporulation though, since it lets me find an area with a good number of resources to leech off of before growing into a more active organism.

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You can change the reproduction order in multicellular now, maybe that would help?

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@aah31415

I think this is pretty obviously a bug

Maybe? I started a fresh playthrough and not only did Photosynthesis nearly double when moving, it increased further with sprinting!

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Irl plants don’t need to move to photosynthesize so I would (again) bet this isn’t intentional.

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Thrive devs made motile Photosynthesizers! Best update yet!

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They have already been able to move before though?

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But now they are even more powerful! I need to see just how insanely fast Photosynethesis can get with the huge speed boosts from Slime Jets!

[hhyyrylainen]

@punctdan

Iirc, clicking on a species name in the editor would open Evo Tree page while showing the detailed species stats on the right hand side in the previous release.

Actually before 1.1, clicking on a species took you just to the evolutionary tree. It did not automatically select the species, because the game lacks the feature to do that.

So by now the click taking you to the Thriveopedia page for a species, it now provides more immediate information rather than needing to hunt through the entire evolutionary tree to find the species before being able to see any information about it.

I’m hoping that someone would really spruce up the species Thriveopedia pages as I did just a basic implementation of it, but at least so far no one has taken up on that.

@AnthropocenianAge

It felt like the 10% Oxygen Max Tolerance was too limiting. Perhaps increasing it from 10% to 20% would be better.

I had similar thoughts, but for now I think we are waiting to see how common this opinion is before potentially increasing the slider range again.

@AnthropocenianAge

I miss being able to turn on and off different processes in the Cell Process Panel. It helped to give an extra layer of strategic depth to the game. Is there any way to bring that back?

It is still there. The feature hasn’t changed even though the GUI is now a bit different looking. If it doesn’t work then that is a bug.

(I did see your bug report thread about photosynthesis not being able to be turned back on and asked for more details there)

@AnthropocenianAge

This new cell process system seems to favor movement over being sessile. It has a strange consequence of doubling Photosynthesis while moving as a Prokaryote early in the playthrough with many Thylakoids, and being less while sessile. Is this supposed to be the intended behavior of this new cell process system?

The logic here should not have changed in 1.1…

@AnthropocenianAge

When I save a species, I first had to go to the Clade Diagram. It would be very helpful if the button to open Clade Diagram from the Species Page in the Thriveopedia also went directly to where that Species was located in the Clade Diagram.

Yeah… this is a missing feature like the Thriveopedia pages say just below the button.

@AnthropocenianAge

I got hit multiple times by an organism with Channel Inhibitors, but I did not take damage. Was this due to a combination of the new toxin reduction effects from Double Membrane and Very Easy mode conditions?

Channel inhibitors don’t cause damage directly.

@AnthropocenianAge

Even though I had 31.1 MP left, I could not add three Pilus. After two Pilus, my remaining MP was 10.1. According to the Very Easy mode settings, the Perforator Pilus is 10 MP. Is this a bug, or the game simply round down the actual values, since this occurs for all organelles?

The display is rounded, and also the costs are rounded so likely the real numbers are just below being able to afford the organelle.

@AnthropocenianAge

The time spent as a Spore seems very too short. It was at most a couple of seconds. Perhaps the time before a Player becomes a regular cell could be increased to 20 seconds?

This is fully up to the player whenever they press the germination button.

@AnthropocenianAge

If I remember correctly, the cell processes did become inactive (in red letters), not just slowed down, especially Photosynthesis at night.

If there’s no input compounds, a process has to stop. So photosynthesis stops at night when there’s no light to use. This is normal.

@AnthropocenianAge

Photosynthesis nearly double when moving, it increased further with sprinting!

Processes which don’t have empty space for their outputs, slow down automatically. Once there’s more space they speed up. So as your glucose burn rate goes up (due to needing to convert more of it to ATP while moving) the photosynthesis process can run faster as there’s more space for output compounds.

[Rathalos]

@AnthropocenianAge

• I like how AI cells no longer collide with terrain! As funny as it used to be, this improvement makes the game feel more realistic.

We, uh, didn’t make any change to this, I believe.

@AnthropocenianAge

1. Is it possible to bring back the -10% Osmoregulation cost for the Double Membrane? That was very useful aspect of the Double Membrane before the rebalance.

I removed it because people were basically treating Double as “better Normal” since it had that cost reduction while also still allowing engulfment. So I decided to make it something more unique instead. (Less significant, but I also couldn’t find any realistic justification for it having the reduced cost)

But I will see how people feel about it over time.

@AnthropocenianAge

• Restricting the myofibril to non-cell wall membranes adds an extra layer of challenge, and with the new toxin resistance, we can make 100% toxin resistant neuromuscular tissue!

The Value that shows as 100% resistance is actually more like 50% damage reduction, so I am planning to change how that is displayed.

@AnthropocenianAge

• It felt like the 10% Oxygen Max Tolerance was too limiting. Perhaps increasing it from 10% to 20% would be better.

Did you have trouble finding cell parts that could cover the gap? Or were you unable to place those?

The next update should show tolerance effects in the cell part tooltips.

@AnthropocenianAge

• Photosynthesis felt like it needed be buffed slightly. Maybe 10%?

Could you clarify what made you feel this way?

@AnthropocenianAge

• I miss being able to turn on and off different processes in the Cell Process Panel. It helped to give an extra layer of strategic depth to the game. Is there any way to bring that back?

I don’t think this was supposed to be removed, perhaps the button is simply different than before?

@AnthropocenianAge

• This new cell process system seems to favor movement over being sessile. It has a strange consequence of doubling Photosynthesis while moving as a Prokaryote early in the playthrough with many Thylakoids, and being less while sessile. Is this supposed to be the intended behavior of this new cell process system?

All that is supposed to have been changed is the display, there is no new process system. Photosynthesis is running faster for you while moving? (And storage is not full)

@AnthropocenianAge

• When I save a species, I first had to go to the Clade Diagram. It would be very helpful if the button to open Clade Diagram from the Species Page in the Thriveopedia also went directly to where that Species was located in the Clade Diagram.

You mean fossilisation? That is possible directly from the in-game screen. Unless you mean species from another patch?

Directing you to the correct species is definitely something we would like to have but need to find the time to do.

@AnthropocenianAge

• I got hit multiple times by an organism with Channel Inhibitors, but I did not take damage. Was this due to a combination of the new toxin reduction effects from Double Membrane and Very Easy mode conditions?

Channel inhibitors only decrease ATP production. Did you have a lot of excess production?

@AnthropocenianAge

• Even though I had 31.1 MP left, I could not add three Pilus. After two Pilus, my remaining MP was 10.1. According to the Very Easy mode settings, the Perforator Pilus is 10 MP. Is this a bug, or the game simply round down the actual values, since this occurs for all organelles?

It’s of course not intended to look like that. Might be rounding, or rounding for the display specifically.

@AnthropocenianAge

• The time spent as a Spore seems very too short. It was at most a couple of seconds. Perhaps the time before a Player becomes a regular cell could be increased to 20 seconds?

It’s intended to simply be at the player’s discretion. It’s not supposed to add challenge to survive as a spore, it’s only supposed to give you options.

@AnthropocenianAge

• There seems to be way too many aggressive species now. Nearly half of the time when I just spawn in Microbe and Multicellular, I start getting attacked by spiky cells. This is very annoying, and hindered my progress a lot, as I end up dying several times. If this is how it is on Very Easy mode, Hard mode must be nightmarish. The number of aggressive species definitely needs to be toned down.

Noted, and an auto-evo modification is in progress to try and do this.

@aah31415

@AnthropocenianAge

I look forward to having an equivalent to myofibril eventually gets added for walled membranes.

I am not sure that’d be very realistic

I am hoping to implement something like this for cellulose/chitin.

@AnthropocenianAge

I thought automatically turn on and off now based on movement and resource availability.

@aah31415

I think they only slow down based on the amount of speed, not turn off completely

@punctdan

I guess it would be useful for disabling unused organelles which you cannot remove after moving to a patch and no compound that organelle uses is in the new patch. So far, I didn’t have it happen.

Processes simply don’t run if the inputs compounds are missing (including sunlight) or the output storage is full.

[AlicellaGiganteaFan]

Yeah, I fine-tuned my reproduction order (if I didn’t my horribly unoptimized creature would die), but cells don’t seem to grow based off of whichever cell was last in the order, at least that doesn’t have dominance in determining how connections are formed. Granted, it’s probably also partially because my organism was very silly in shape, having a one cell wide neck and a head that was just a big line for sucking up all of the little cells in front of it. Still, it’d be a nice quality of life feature to be able to decide for oneself how connections are formed, if that is even possible at all.

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@Rathalos

Did you have trouble finding cell parts that could cover the gap? Or were you unable to place those?

Despite adding Metabolosomes and Thylakoids (and later Mitochondria and Chloroplasts), the increasing Oxygen percentage in the atmosphere outpaced how fast a Player can add them to compensate the Oxygen tolerance.

@Rathalos

Could you clarify what made you feel this way?

When I became a Eukaryote, it felt like Photosynthesis was just barely giving my organism the amount of Glucose it needed to survive, and since I was slower, Photosynthesis did not increase that much accordingly. My computer was having low frame rate (as normal), so I wonder if that had to do with it.

[Rathalos]

@AnthropocenianAge

Despite adding Metabolosomes and Thylakoids (and later Mitochondria and Chloroplasts), the increasing Oxygen percentage in the atmosphere outpaced how fast a Player can add them to compensate the Oxygen tolerance.

Alright, I’ve also heard reports from some people of oxygen increasing more than expected, so that might be part of it. I have to say that not perfectly keeping pace with oxygen is not necessarily disastrous, but I know it looks problematic at first.

@AnthropocenianAge

When I became a Eukaryote, it felt like Photosynthesis was just barely giving my organism the amount of Glucose it needed to survive, and since I was slower, Photosynthesis did not increase that much accordingly. My computer was having low frame rate (as normal), so I wonder if that had to do with it.

Not sure about the technical side, but as a follow up question: what membrane type were you using?

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@Rathalos

We, uh, didn’t make any change to this, I believe.

Yeah I also wonder what they meant here since in my experience the microbes still get lodged between terrain chunks

[AlicellaGiganteaFan]

I’ve been playing through a game and uh… there is an extreme bias towards eukaryotes. There are no prokaryotes in my patch (an epipelagic patch) except for me, and only like… half(?) of the cells on the planet of prokaryotes. On the bright side, my cell is excellent at hunting eukaryotes, since none of them seem to have identified the concept of a cilia leaving lots of surface area exposed. Still, a terrifying result, and I have no idea if it was intended or not. I personally would like to see more prokaryotic heterotrophs.