Air Civilizations

Alright. I see where this is going, and I’m afraid I have to disagree. You have merely assumed that the underwater civilization hasn’t been given enough thought. That is wrong on so many levels, there isn’t a single new idea that hasn’t been discussed. In fact, this debate has been raging on for ages, even before the migration onto this forum. So please don’t go around disregarding all of the work people have put into the conversation.

That is rude, presumptuous and false. I give things a lot of thought. I have given an unholy shit ton of thought to this particular topic, and have concluded (along with many others) that an underwater civilization wouldn’t be able to progress pass the ‘stone age’ (or the equivalent in their world) as they cannot smelt metal, not even using geothermal vents.

That must be so difficult for you, I can only imagine what it must be like up there in Mount Olympus. You accuse me of being patronizing and rude, when littered throughout your whole piece are little jabs and belittling comments aimed at me. Think before you make a 10 page essay with no merit.


Or that “more complex than yours”, I am sorry. That, while not consisly meant to hurt, well, unconsisly… well sorry

And, that ego thing? Wow was I not formuolating my thoughts well. You have talents, and we all struggle with egos. I try to keep mine under controll. (And, obviously need to try harder. Based on people I have met, extrapolation, papers, gueswork, theorys, and contemplating that I really need to get out more, I think, while I do have a bit too much of an ego, that I am not egotistical. Somewhere between, which makes finding a soloution so much more difficult!)

Personally, I understand, and envy, your honesty. That was a compliment (In case it didin’t seem like it. I just realized it could also be read as a cloaked insult… nope. Compliment)

I am not “disregarding” the conversation. Did you think of the lens idea? Like I said there: Improbable. But, let’s agree to disagree on that, since that is part of our fight

And, for the “other comments are rude”, I forgot the context (It was the one where you mentioned the flu, and what your post had in it, combined with certin alterations in mu memories morphed what you put into a memory of an insult). Oops…

And, I, while disagree with the mt. Olympus reference, I must say, nice! And, if that where the case, “quite cold”, and, since I hate the cold…

So, let me say this. While there are parts up in your reply that I dissagree with, I won’t get into it, since that get’s missinterpreted, that misinterpretation gets misinterpreted… talk about telephone! Well, I’m fixing it by stopping that cycle!

I’m sorry. I hope we can put this behind us


Boi. Let’s just put it this way: don’t go ‘I’m smarter than you’. Instead, prove it. Do the thing:

Once this is done, you can flex about your level if critical thought being higher than average. (Though it would mostly prove you have more spare time tbf…)

EDIT: You could even ask @Steve’s help, since IIRC he has already done some basic research on it.

Actually I have a decently large equation lined up, but my research into it had lead me to a dead stop and it has been for nearly a year. DAMN YOU COULOMBS!

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I am not saying “I am smarter”

And, the above one is an appology

I can’t help but notice that you gave me a warning, when he was also a paprt of it

And, I am sorry again, If you notice, in each one of them, I was trying to stop the cycle, and in which one people are misinterpreting

I will put it out there
I am not smarter than other people. Those paragraphs of mine prove that! So stop saying I am saying I am smarter, since I am not saying I am smarter than others. I was just trying (and failing) to explian in a simple, easy to use (If I didin’t it would be long), manor that I, while I might have an ego, am not Egotistical and e an over inflated ego. That was hurtful.

And, I do have ideas on how an air civilization would work

Now, assuming this is a civilization that is on ships that hover, well, they have advanced tech, but could use a smeltery/ mirror system/ other

But, if they are flying, and no ships, and can barley move while walking, they are like birds, that is different.since thay can’t make planes that they can fly next to and work, the first thign after the stones is, if they find loose chunks of iron, use it, make some sort ow salking device, then start mettal! That means that understand the wheel. While unlikly, they just need a theoretical knowledge of pullys and such, and then go on like semi-normal

So, that’s air (this thread), what about water, asks the person with whom I am talking too.

A species could be able to use silver as a mirror. Since silver is very malleable, all they have to do is warm it up enonough with the vent. Then, the reflect larg amounts of sunlight. They produce a “lens” by reflecting light in a single area up, where a mirro directs it one way, and then it sent down the the bottom. A species could keep it afloat with some of that mysterious floaty thing that is rare (Wood), and, after a while, they can complentate why they have ch a convulted existance

And, why do you mention @steve

What, does he get treated meanly by members of the community as well? That’s the only feasible answer, seeing as your entire paragraph was on what I did wrong, and what I did wrong was caused by ya’ll saying I did something wrong, when I didin’t. When I try to be understanding and work it through, ya’ll just continue.

Take @QuantumCrab
“It must be nice up there on mt. Olympus”

Oh, nice. Talking about how I was being insulting, and he did nothing wrong. What did I say? I did something wrong, so did you (quantum crab). And, even if I where more intelignet (Which we have established I am not, you probally just ignored that line),. So, each of your paragraphs here have been filled with insults, and I’m tired of it.

What in the dimensional christ is this thread? What happened? Why did it happen?


Cth2004 posted that Underwater Civilizations had not been given enough thought, then QuantumCrab came into correct him, and then the rest of the Disaster Dominoes toppled from there.


Cth2004 seems to be an interesting person.

Three things:

  1. He is
  2. Look at that, I’m multicellular
  3. Aren’t you gonna post about “Disaster Dominoes?”
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I’m not I just think it’s funny to watch because it’s only a matter of time before the tardigrade uprising has stolen away all you hold dear. In the end you scream and the tardigrade hive gives no answer to your plea.

OK, you have a bad case of Paranoia; I got it from TV Tropes

Try to make up a chain right now.

I got ice cream on my drawing pad

That could make for a nice forum game.

…sigh. Remember the important question, which has stopped around a third of these suggestions: why? Why would a species create a mirror/lense out of silver, and use it to heat up a bit of metal to the point of melting? Those are too many steps for it to happen by accident or ‘on a hunch’, like with most early science. (And that is not counting the water refracting the light, and the water also heating up from the metal (remember, it’s not air. If you put molten metal in water, the water would just start boiling while the metal would solidify) and killing anything nearby)

Also, I haven’t seen any bachelor’s level theses yet.


How to meltal the smelt, just do it outside the water (1994 colorised)


This was a roller coaster. I think this thread has gotten waaay too off topic. So, if anyone thinks they indeed have a good contribution to the underwater civs topic that has not been mentioned before and/or deemed impossible, feel free to do so in the underwater civs thread. Also, if anyone wants to doubt cth2004’s superior intellect and wit, please do so in a new thread titled something along the lines of “cth2004’s ego” in the “Not Thrive” section, not here. Air civs. This thread is about air civs.

However, QuantumCrab’s last post made me laugh more than it should have, nice meme buddy.

Air civs from now on.


Why would air civs build floating cities. At the start of their society they would only have the ability to build on the ground up so they would probably (through increase in technology making them build taller) make cities of VERY tall structures which they would navigate through. They could interconnect these buildings with tubes and beam supports to keep the buildings from tilting too much because of wind. Of course for colonization they might choose blimp cities but their own planet should just be huge cities of skyscrapers.

Okay, I am going to do one more off topic post here for one simple reason:

You don’t need to bother doubting it, because there is someone doing it 24 sevon! His name? CTH2004

What part of “I don’t think I’m more inteligent than ya’ll” do ya’ll not get?!

Now, for the air part.

While unlikley, they might build things in the air because the atmosphere is so dense it’s like making a boat. Or, the magnetic field is in such a way that it will cause buildings to levititate if it’s in the right way

Or, more likley, they are an air civ because they are like birds. If you naturally have been flying, you would dedicate building to the air, cause that’s where you’re more comfortable!

And, that bachlor level thesis. If these aren’t, link an example, and I shall improve it! (I like learning more about how to write)

The atmosphere being dense enough to allow for kind of a hovering might be possible, given that life could form in those condition and would evolve some sort of a gas bladder as seen in fish, which I won’t tell you, as I’m not a biologist. But yes, that might work and to be honest, the image of “sky whales” hovering over the landscape while eating airborne plants similar to pollen-like plankton seems pretty cool. This might have been discussed before, I’m not sure.
As for cities built in the air, I’m not quite sure. Free-floating cities seem not too convenient and I don’t see a reason any civ would do it. There would have to be a lot of effort put into constructing a above-ground city without any significant trade-off. Moreover, even a bird-like race would probably not form their cities above ground, as their bird ancestors would have probably been building nests just like our birds. Perhaps they would like cities at elevated places, yes. But I don’t think they would have a reason to construct a city situated in mid-air.

TL;DR - Sky whales cool, hopefully possible. Sky cities, I don’t think so.

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Yeah, the only case where a sky citie would happen is in that “air whale”, because in that scenario, the metal might float, and swimming through the air is what they have to do. Any other civilitastions that do that are just doing it as a proof of concept (See, I told you we could make a flying city!), or, with that magnetic scenario, but even there, unlikely. The only non air-whale scenario I can think of is a massive metropolis. So massive that the buildings are so tall they collaps under their own weight, so they build buildings on top of them, and make those ones fly. Some with flying roads, others where you have no choice but to use the hover cars! (Patent pending)

So, yeah. Also, like your sky-whale! but, it might be a sky-dolphin… which sounds coller?

And, for the bird civilisations, they might, in flat areas, build their cities on stilts, but yeah, probally jjust like tall areas, with large doors.