Democratic Worldbuilding / Planning New Game

[Cha (Waluigi)]

True some species even get more or less “eyes” depending if it benefits them or not

[Deathwake (i nuked zenzone and will never let him forget it)]

Yep, this is the number of eyes in the last common ancestor, not any ending species.

Try to have the numbers of eyes be different btw.

[doomlightning (The Invisible Aztec Dodo God. Real Plant Enslaver, Ltd.)]

Time for Astro-clime seinse

by doom:

I think that with regards to seasons, you need to think about a few things:
(This is my opinion based on personal knowledge and research on the internet, but it is your right to take or not take my ideas, based on what is chosen. I am not referring to animals at the moment which is irrelevant to what I am talking about)

Around the suns

A rotation around the binary star where the light level is relatively weak, every almost 1000 days (996.6). With at the point closest to them, the relative temperature on the planet approaches that of talkies and rainforests on Earth (~21 degrees average). It means that theoretically (mathematics is complex here), around 180 - 330 days out of it, is in the golden zone of the binary suns.

Around the gaseous planet

The world revolves around a gaseous planet every 18.57 days, meaning it is relatively far from our gaseous planet, and also causes an interesting effect that can affect the ecosystem of our planet/moon - 4-7~ days of orbiting the star does mean it will be dark.

atmosphere

At the moment I’m leaving the details aside (not yet), but if you consider the factors, the atmosphere can act as a heat capacitor in certain cases - extremely critical if you consider ecology. Carbon dioxide, water vapor and methane, together with other less critical substances in this case are used as greenhouse gases, and if one considers the rate of evaporation and the atmospheric effect over the period.

Tectonic activity and albedo

There is no direct longitudinal albedo information, but it is known that because it is tectonically active - both because of the tidal forces of the gaseous star on our planet/moon, they cause the moon to be extremely active - it affects the level of the star’s coverage, atmospheric composition and release of compounds.

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If you put all of this together, I have created here (I want to draw this , if you will allow me), a basic pattern of how the cycle of the planet goes through each period:

1. First season - Cryotoribox - composition of ‘quiet ice’ in ancient Greek.
   The longest season and also the first - begins when there is a full ice cover of the planet, creating a kind of ‘snowball’ and when there is the presence of dry ice on the planet (as we know - solid carbon dioxide [-78.5 degrees Celsius. The coldest point measured on Earth is -89]) during this period - probably most, if not almost all, or they are either hiding under the layers of snow and ice that formed in the previous season (will be explained later) or in volcanic areas (remember - the moon is very volcanically active) or deep in the ocean (salt concentration lowers freezing temperature of ice, and also thermal shocks, especially in the fact that the oceans are deeper than the Earth).
   Although the oceans do not have access to strong enough light to sustain them, even with a level of black pigment (due to the low light intensity of the two suns), the life there specializes in either stored food, non-photosynthetic producers (chemosynthetic, etc.) or access to a high amount of nutrients in the ocean, which because A decrease in the volume of water not trapped in ice, causes a high geothermal exchange, enriches the water with nutrients. This is by analogy - conditions are more difficult than in the Antarctic. Those who are on the surface, winds created by changes in temperature differences between the equator and the poles will cause strong winds, so that at the poles, staying on the surface is considered impossible during these periods, but those on the equator or in volcanic regions, will need to rely on even more winter survival strategies Sophisticated to survive - among them - fat, hibernation, escape or change of generations as many plants and insects do.
   The rotation of the moon around worsens the temp because when the gaseous planet completely blocks the incoming light, it causes strong periods of decay in the wind cycle. This is a cycle that will repeat itself every 9 days - between strong cold levels and relatively less strong ones, the peak of which will of course be at the farthest end from the sun.

2. Second season - Neotixi (new melting)
   The second season does not occur when the moon enters the golden zone, these are before - when the levels of carbon dioxide that are emitted from the volcanoes and their melting as the smell approaches and the surface temperature rises above their take-off point, causes a gradual thawing of dry ice to the temperature, contributing to the trapping of the heat. But because of the albedo of the ice (around 0.1-0.2), the thawing effect still does not occur. But at a certain point, it became strong enough to start melting the ice, causing a positive feedback reaction that gets stronger as the moon gets closer to the sun, which moderates when it is hidden by the gaseous planet, but remember - the earth is able to retain heat for a certain period together with the atmosphere. When the moon actually reaches half (more or less) of its path towards the sun, the ice layers officially melt and with it begins a new season where it only gets warmer. At this point, vegetation with black/gray pigments begins to emerge first on the surface or in volcanic areas where the water was previously melted due to the geothermal heat.

3. Third season - Exonoxi (alien spring season)
   When the light level returns and with it the temperature at the equator rises above the melting point of water, the light levels are strong enough for purple vegetation to wake up as well. Water vapor begins to appear in the atmosphere, contributing to warming and also to the appearance of rains and critical storms that bring water to the depths of the land (if present). While the moon is blocked from light, the heat movement of the ocean (which remember - water is a very high heat sink) manages to preserve the heat levels during the exposure. This also causes the challenge of the producers depending on light to store enough food materials, limiting them in terms of height and shape during this period. During light periods, evaporation levels are higher and create a microclimate in sea and land areas. It only gets more and more when we get to the next season.

4. Season Four - Zestovroch (Hot Rain)
   This is a season that begins when the moon is close to the point closest to the sun - when there is no more ice cover at the poles (there will be a minimal presence on the highest mountains at the poles) where there is a presence of very strong rains and a very high level of humidity at the equator and high levels of heat in the seasons of exposure to light and moderate temperatures in the low periods Light (oceans moderate temp change, personal experience). It is possible to compare this period to monsoon seasons but strong tropical storms, due to the high evaporation. This is a time when the equatorial regions, the purple vegetation is the control since black vegetation, will not be able to last in a high intensity of exposure (as someone who studied botany, it is very delicate photosynthesis and heat damage), will find shelter at the poles. The oceans will begin to create a separation between the hot surface and the cold valleys, will cause a decrease in oxygen levels on the surface (warm water is less good at holding oxygen than cold, if we speak in analogy to the chemistry of the earth), will also cause a decrease in the migration of nutrients between the surface and the depths, but will also cause a bloom A rapid and vast expanse of purple vegetation on the surface of the sea, which will only end in the cycle of light covering by the gaseous planet. This season will pass when the moon moves away at least or more to a little more than half of the golden zone.

5. Fifth season - Exofinoio (alien autumn)
   As the moon moves away from its suns, the poles will be the first to read with the movement of warm winds from the equator to the poles, spend migration of water and dust to them and begin to accumulate ice on it as it cools. causing the star’s albedo to rise again. More light and heat returns to the space, which only gets stronger with the cycle of light coverage, symbolizing the purple plants to prepare for the Cryotoribox, apparently dying and leaving spores when the conditions were favorable again. This is a period when there is a high presence of food. The black vegetation found on the equator returns to bloom in this period as well instead of the purple ones. Over time the moon moves away and already crosses the golden zone, the planet is still relatively warm but the ice is spreading more and more into the equator, symbolizing the opening of winter. At the same time, the temperature of the surface of the oceans becomes lower than that of the valleys with the ice, causing an exchange of water and with it, moving nutrients to the depths and now they are thriving. This also enriches the deep sea with oxygen, because the previous season partially blocked the passage of oxygen to the depth (if there was no pulsation, this would not have been possible at all).
   This season ends when the ice caps have reached the point of no return where they spread all the way to the equator, restarting the first season when carbon dioxide levels are low and dry ice begins to appear at the poles.

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This is more or less how the seasonal cycle on our moon goes, with current data.

If you have an opinion on this, I’d love to know

[Cha (Waluigi)]

I almost forgot the fact this moon was orbiting a gas giant, I’ll have to add a fourth little guy to the family I am working on that is purely active during that night period

[fralegend015 (Shroudmaster)]

So each season has 2 sub-seasons depending on wheter or not the gas giant covers the suns.

[Cha (Waluigi)]

Also forgot, wouldn’t extremeophiles of the black plants still be active only in rare cases where the red dwarf (other one not the one oribiting the F as a binary) be still active or something like that? or would it be too far away to give any proper energy, mostly asking cause it could be where the moon is on the dark side of the gas giant but the red dwarf is right behind the gas giant too

[doomlightning (The Invisible Aztec Dodo God. Real Plant Enslaver, Ltd.)]

@fralegend015

So each season has 2 sub-seasons depending on wheter or not the gas giant covers the suns.

Yes. It is as if every season there is a cycle between the two types of sub-seasons. I personally don’t know what the star’s rotation rate is, so in principle, our moon could actually be gravitationally locked (I’m not sure, so I didn’t look into it. It just complicates things, so I leave it as if it revolves around itself like the Earth)

Edit -

As you can see in the picture - technically - the exposure to light will be longer (depending on the angle of the gaseous planet in front of the sun) than the dark period, but the concentration of light will vary between exposure areas, so technically, there are even three types, but not really - exposed area The light, the dark area and the red area - a point where the light intensity is weak but not blocked.

Again - depends on the rotation of the star. Maybe because of its proximity, it’s even gravitationally locked, so I don’t really know.

@Cha

Also forgot, wouldn’t extremeophiles of the black plants still be active only in rare cases where the red dwarf (other one not the one oribiting the F as a binary) be still active or something like that? or would it be too far away to give any proper energy, mostly asking cause it could be where the moon is on the dark side of the gas giant but the red dwarf is right behind the gas giant too

There is an interesting effect that occurs and can be seen every day on Earth - when the sky at sunset turns red. This occurs because the Earth is a geosphere and with it - red light travels better through the atmosphere and arrives first, giving the color.
The same analogy can also be made on the moon - so there are certain points where red and infrared light, especially during the transition between light and darkness, the black pigment will have an advantage over the violet (reminder - purple does not absorb infrared or red color, causing this color).

But even leaving that aside, here you are quite right, but it really depends on how the gaseous planet rotates around the binary system and how long the moon will be exposed to the red dwarf and what is the distance from it. In all these cases, black will have an advantage over purple - all because red lasts longer according to the Kepler effect.

[fralegend015 (Shroudmaster)]

@doomlightning

so technically, there are even three types, but not really - exposed area The light, the dark area and the red area - a point where the light intensity is weak but not blocked.

I did think about that, but the third sub-season would last a very short amount of time so it would be much less impactful than the other two.

[Deathwake (i nuked zenzone and will never let him forget it)]

This is REALLY good, got me thinking about a lot of stuff. Thanks for naming stuff too, I’m not a fan of placeholder names. I don’t think a 1000 day year is long enough to freeze to the polls, let alone get dry ice, but those seasons have a lot of good stuff in there. Also, yes, with volcanism the CO2 and other gasses are very important.

Yeah, time for clade votes.
Alright, so, I’ve thought of a few defining features we can work with, if you can think of others, tell me.

First, one of our clades will be the first predators. The others will be filter or bottom feeders, though they will quickly diversify (basically this is at the point of the cambrian explosion). This decides who starts off quicker, and will be more violent. Benthic niche advantage.

• Phylum A
• Phylum B
• Phylum C
• Phylum D

And assigning the eyes, don’t vote for the same in both (leaving them unprivate so I can tell if you’re being evil):

Eyes

• Phylum A should have Eyes One
• Phylum B should have Eyes One
• Phylum C should have Eyes One
• Phylum D should have Eyes One

• Phylum A should have Eyes Two
• Phylum B should have Eyes Two
• Phylum C should have Eyes Two
• Phylum D should have Eyes Two

Now I thought of a few features:
Internal structures (will evolve skeletons), external casings (will evolve exoskeletons), external armor (will do… something), hydraulic tubes to power and support extremities. Remember to choose different ones and remember none is a valid choice.

Select which one each clade gets

Phylum A

• Should have Internal Structures
• Should have External Casings
• Should have External Armor
• Should have Hydraulic Support
• None of the above

Phylum B

• Should have Internal Structures
• Should have External Casings
• Should have External Armor
• Should have Hydraulic Support
• None of the above

Phylum C

• Should have Internal Structures
• Should have External Casings
• Should have External Armor
• Should have Hydraulic Support
• None of the above

Phylum D

• Should have Internal Structures
• Should have External Casings
• Should have External Armor
• Should have Hydraulic Support
• None of the above

We’ll add metabolic stuff about how they breath after. That is bc if someone gets hydraulic support that sorta changes the baseline for them.

Should we have an interesting, motile, radially symmetrical clade?

• Yeah, why not
• No, four is plenty

[Cha (Waluigi)]

Question what’s the difference between external casing and external armour here? Cause both sounds like just what arthropods went down

[Deathwake (i nuked zenzone and will never let him forget it)]

Armor Is 100% non structural. Like plates or maybe a shell, but definitely no joints in the armor

[doomlightning (The Invisible Aztec Dodo God. Real Plant Enslaver, Ltd.)]

@Deathwake

let alone get dry ice, but those seasons have a lot of good stuff in there. Also, yes, with volcanism the CO2 and other gasses are very important.

yes, there is not high enough concentration of free CO2 for make a space visible chunck of dry ice. its will more like a dry snow then ice, mix with water ice, simmaler on Mars.

u will surprise how something climde can change fast in over a earth year, espacly because of one volcano
see that happen in 1998-1999 because of a volcano - make snow in the Sahara desert

Volcano are basically 2 edges sword, but here - I think the Carbon cycle can be very weird and unique - CO2 come from the Volcano or Animals or burns, in the Zestovroch, the oceans suck the CO2 like a watercooler and in the Exofinoio the move to the deeps, make use by the living there or Tranbelgiumed back to earth (ice-8 or naphtha, depending on how compressed and cold the conditions are there)

But I think that because of high volcanic activity, I think that the atmosphere will have a greater presence of volcanic gases, such as sulfur dioxide or hydrogen sulfide. They can quite change the composition of the water in terms of acidity and also serve as an available source of chemical energy, especially the SD, which I will tell you an interesting theory - the origin of photosynthesis probably comes from bacteria which are more capable of breaking down sulfur dioxide into autotrophs. This would essentially allow another life form, especially during the Cryotoribox period or as symbiotes with land plants, similar to Biblion A-Bioshyra, could optimize their chances of survival during the dark periods of the passage of the gaseous planet.

[Deathwake (i nuked zenzone and will never let him forget it)]

Phylum A is a segmented critter with 8 eyes in a circle around its mouth. It has either per segment supports or whole body supports.

• one spine, like a vertebrate
• two horizontal spines, better support for limbs, weirder
• two vertical spines, weird, fast
• a ring for every segment, durible, limbs likely
• a length of stiff stuff through each segment, fast, limbs likely

Phylum B is a soft bodied, rather boring creature. What shape is it?

• long, thin, worm.
• flatworm.
• short tube with tentacles to feed on detritus or plankton
• tube with feet for borrowing.
• jellyfish with a mouth.
• parasite fuses with host/blob (others can be parasites too)
• wide tube just filters water.

Phylum C is a predator that hunts with hydraulicly powered limbs, using an effective open circulatory system to get oxygen around while it chases down slower prey, and using pressure can get through weaker armor of it gets teeth. Is itself vulnerable to attack. How does it sense prey?

• smell
• vibration
• electroreception
• detects light blocked from above (no eyes but this works.)
• Long tendrils it waits for something to touch
• other stuff (post an idea if you vote for this please)

Phylum D is a segmented critter with a blind gut and five simple eyes. It avoids damage with hard armor of some kind, and uses it’s eyes to find food. Likely borrows.

• scales for armor/spikes (good teeth)
• one big shell (mollusk-core)
• soft armor
• per-segment plate
• mineralization that fixes it in place (sessile)

Radially symmetrical clade sounds interesting!

how’s it move?

• crawls like a starfish
• swims like a jellyfish
• swims like a cephalopod
• mostly sits in place, hops to move

how does it eat things?

• blind gut
• through gut
• no gut (absorbs nutrients through gills or limbs)

[fralegend015 (Shroudmaster)]

How will it work when we get to sapient species? Will you make up a bunch of species and make us vote? Will we be able to design species and then we vote for which one we want?

[doomlightning (The Invisible Aztec Dodo God. Real Plant Enslaver, Ltd.)]

My idea for some werid sensing that can work - magnetic disturbing sensing. Some animels can sense magnetic feild, but imagine they can produce small one, that if objects, even ones who hide, as long and they use some metal (that almost ally animals, but in tiny from like magnetism) , they can file that.

Or u can use echolocation.

[Cha (Waluigi)]

Designs of phylum D I did cause bored

[willow (they/her or yours are was/were)]

C could use detect changes in the pressure and flow of the medium surrounding it to find prey

[fralegend015 (Shroudmaster)]

Scales could turn into feathers later so I think they would be an interesting option for phylum D.

[Cha (Waluigi)]

btw what does the rings even mean for the body of A

[Deathwake (i nuked zenzone and will never let him forget it)]

Like a ring of bone to anchor things on.