Wait, isn’t this basically how the plants do it? Unless atmospheric co2 is considered organic for some reason…
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I miss spoke. Actually, I probably misspoke earlier too. Willow was probably right.
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I suppose that closes up the photo-hetero troph conundrum.
Another fun fact, this plant species has several features from both cornifer and angiosperm plants
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so its the second evolution of angiosperms.
cyanobacteria + endosymbiosis with a eukaryote heterotroph cell => algae (after the g.o.e., before the ediacran expl.)
algae + multicellularity => sea weed (happened lots of times, polyphyletic)
sea weed + vascular tissue => ferns (causes colonisation of land by exoskeleton species followed by amphibians)
ferns + seeds => conifers (colonises the dry regions of the map, so its the plant equivalent of amniotes)
conifers + collaborating with animals for reproduction by using nectar or fruit => angiosperms (causes evolution of primates, grabbing hands rather than claws later exapted to tool making)
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You also need some other things like superior xylem
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Wigglesworthia glossinidia is endosymbiont of the Tsetse fly, having one of the smallest genomes of any living organism - 700,000 bp with a plasmid of 5,200 bp. It was named after well known British entomologist Sir Vincent Brian Wigglesworth.
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Never knew fully formed animals still do endosymbiosis with prokaryotes like that
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Mesozoic cynodonts, Cronopio dentiacutus and Pseudotherium argentinus, look similar to the Ice Age character Scrat due to having small sizes and snouts with saber-like fangs. Unlike Scrat, these creatures were probably omnivores that hunted, and they did not eat Acorns. Oak did not exist until the Cenozoic, at the Paleocene - Eocene boundary (~56 MYA).
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Scrat if they made ice age live action (honestly not even out of the reach of their greed atp)
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I mean, if a single cell can do it, why not multiple cells standing side by side? It can still happen the exactly same way.
And I know we are late, no longer in aware stage or whatever, but we could also get that same endosymbiote for ourselves by inserting it to a human zygote and slightly editing the human DNA to accomodate the symbiote. We could end many forms of vitamin deficiency around the world. Add a vitamin C symbiote and gain immunity to scurvy, survive off a diet of bread-protein powder mixture. It could make humans less costly to feed. No longer need to eat fish for omega 3.
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Couldn’t it be easier to make the main eukaryotic cells (w/o endosymbiont interference) produce those vital elements?
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there is a MUCH MUCH MUCH easier way to do this, a very precedented way.
gut bacteria. The ability to digest milk suger into adulthood evolved twice in humans: once you may know about in eurasia, and once in west africa (the wikipedia article on this stuff seems to imply more modern science considers both events to have probably included multiple sub events but i dont know about that, ask an anthropologist for up to date stuff). In eurasia it’s all boring and normal (apparently im wrong about taht, but again, ask an anthropologist).
but in west africa the gut microbiome evolved to digest lactose into regular sugars, so even though many west africans lack the genes to keep lactose digestion into adulthood, their bacteria can do it for them.
this freak (complement) reproduced the idea herself to cure lactose intolerance but i havent seen the video in a while so i dont remember if its good or forum apropriate
also we know how to make custom bacteria that produce pretty much any organic molecule, its how we make most hormone drugs, like sex hormones and insulin and stuff. The reason that stuff is expenisve is due to patents on the genes we put in the bacteria, not because its hard, it costs like 5$ to make and harvest a vial of insulin, including all the harvesting nonsense and filtering and processing. as far as drugs go thats cheap. if we could make the bacteria do it inside a person and could mix pro-pre-and-anti-biotics perfectly to make them thrive then we could probably undo the need for all of this, but unfortunately insulin needs to be VERY well timed and dosed, and sex hormones just dont need to be delivered that consistently for a long time in any normal scenario, so no ones even tried invented that.
Vitamin C though… sounds very doable.
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Only evil people could do that considering how many are in desperate need of those bio-elements (proteins and stuff mostly)
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no, anyone who believes it is the role of companies to give money to shareholders and wants to be good at running companies would make that call. You don’t have to be evil, you just have to leave your brain in company-running mode. Its good business. [1]
So mayyyybeee capitalism itself is corrupting ? orrr buisnesses cannot be trusted with social goods like medicine and services we all need like water and the internet and public transit, and all should be owned by the state? idk many solutions are proposed but whatever the case i cannot see how anyone thinks the free market is a solution ↩︎
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Pretty sure inaction can be as bad as malice at times
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sure, but in msot cases theres a systemic reason both are options at all, in a well built system, apathetic or indifferent people will never get promoted to positions of power
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Should we still use compromises much/at a large scale in a well built system?
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im pretty sure advocating for any specific system to be adopted worldwide is DEFINITELY politics. I’m merely saying that the cause of insulin prices is systemic incentives. i cant really talk solution specifics without being absurdly partisan, and i dont actually have a prefered option at this point
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Which is why we should move on now.
These little fellows apparently might help bees in their fight vs mites
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woahh i dint know about these guys, some of them ride on flies ! thats so cool. kinda creepy looking though
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