Oh, I thought it didn’t work the first time I posted
Oh boy this is another underwater civ thing.
Now I’m not against sentient plantoid creatures, but they are really scifi tier creatures. Like the orcs from warhammer.
But the reason why plants haven’t become fully motile is a simple reason.
There is no reason for the to. Why would a plant need to move if it gets everything from the enviroment. There would only be reason if the planet had for some reason rapidly moving light hotspots and there were few of them and they would exist for long enough to let moving plants evolve.
There really ain’t any reason for macrobelgium animals to evolve cholophyl in their skin. Because how would it evolve? Endosymbiosis doesn’t work like this.
But mixothropes exist!
Ok give me a reason why they aren’t as successful on earth or if they haven’t evolved, give me a reason why they haven’t evolved if they could be so succesful?
What about herbivores? If autotrophs can adapt to escape predation, why wouldn’t at least some of them gain that adaptation?
The reason this didn’t happen on Earth is that heterotrophs evolved powerful muscles and nerves before any autotrophs or mixotrophs, and hence the latter were unable to get a foothold as motile creatures. If autotrophs were first, then there’s no reason not to expect them to retain these adaptations as well as their method of gathering energy
i was saying that it exists in real animals and therefore could be used by mixotrophic ones
if the diatoms were too sharp for their tastes then they would filter them out. simple as that
i was saying most of them would stay mixotrophs but some of them would become autotrophs. also if they eat coal it is technically eating organic material since it requires high carbon concentrations which generally only happen like that in plants and that carbon gets compressed into coal.
it is only impossible if the mixotrophs(like the ones on earth) occupy very specific niches or have not been around that long(also like the ones on earth).
because i forgot what i wanted to say by the time i finished typing that.
well going off all the other math being based on human anatomy it is’t that far fetched of an assumption to make.
if they evolved from literally any omnivore that has ways to defend itself that is what would happen.
the analogy is the snake ate the dog after getting attacked by it.
all of that is possible with acidic digestive juices(like a human) and based off of the animal you are basing their usable surface area off of being humans it is reasonable to assume that the mixotrophs evolved from humans.
the reason we can eat poison is the liver not the intestines.
i said all except. as in everything except most of the microscopic organisms would get eaten
not if they were woken up by something fleeing from the predator tens of minutes before the predator arrived(which is a reasonable estimate given famine).
even then the animals would not get enough oxygen from the air meaning only fish and the mixotrophs would survive if you are just counting the animals.
i didn’t. i said that they could simply have lower oxygen in usable forms in their blood and have less iron because they don’t need to store as much or did you not read that part.
based on the fact that you did not even acknowledge when i said they could have a lower maximum oxygen concentration in their blood by lowering their hemoglobin levels it still seems you are the one doing the cherry picking as the examples you provided you just didn’t read where i addressed them.
they have
Fralegend and Willow, STOP, you’re going to get plant civs banned.
But before that happens, I’d like to introduce a new plant species capable of forming a civilization, a fairly normal tree, except some creatures are eating them and they have no way of defending themselves, so naturally they evolve a defence mechanism, some of them evolve spikes or toxins, but the one I care about evolves an electric organ, and small, mobile branches capable of shocking anything they touch, but there’s a problem, it isn’t precise, so they also evolve a small brain and a sense of touch, they use this brain to figure out the best places to shock creatures, so whenever a creature touches them, they immediately move their electroshock branches to where they think the attackers brain is, causing a lot of damage to it, but this still isn’t the most precise, and some creatures have learned to throw objects at one place, and then attack another place, so they also evolve basic eyes, when all of this is happening, the electroshock branches become more of a web of tiny threads, and the tree has control over how much electricity each individual thread gives off. Something new emerges from all this, and the tree can now target specific limbs, stab into them, and scramble the nerve signals, its brain becomes more advanced to be able to fully use this ability, and eventually it understands how to control the limbs of the species that were trying eat them, and it only gets more refined from there, to the point of them being able to reprogram a creatures brain to do their bidding, but doing this demands that the trees have enough intelligence to understand a seperate creatures brain, and how to give it orders, there is also nothing stopping the trees from connecting to each other, and they form a massive hive mind. With the trees having such a fine level of control over animals, many species have to adapt to it, and some evolve to let the trees control them, with specific holes in they’re skulls to let the trees control them without harming them, the hive mind realizes that they can’t let that species go extinct, and start giving them some of their own leaves for them to feed off of, there are still other forests that aren’t hive minds, and can’t be killed by being shocked, so the hive mind finally discoveres fire, and uses it to wipe out all other forests, it eventually researches other uses of fire, and discoveres metallurgy, I’m sure you all know where it goes from here.
(this is a continuation of a convo from the quick questions thread)assuming plants can have squishy tissue(which would definitely be possible especially with alternate trees of life) a plant could use muscle and neurons to catch prey to get phosphorus and nitrogen which would encourage it to evolve eyes or other sensory organs which would make a brain quite useful due to computing reasons
after a brief backread i have found exactly why i shouldn’t have an argument any longer than 1 hour which i failed to 3 months ago