Give us a way to digest toxins

[navegamer11 (Also called evanthetoejammer.)]

Make it one of the lysosome functions or something, npcs keep evolving toxins and thwarting my plans of being predatory.

[AnthropocenianAge (𝒜𝓇𝓉𝒽𝓇𝑜𝓅𝓁𝑒𝓊𝓇𝒶 𝓌𝒶𝓃𝓉𝓈 𝓉𝑜 𝑔𝒾𝓋𝑒 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝒶 𝒽𝓊𝑔!)]

Welcome back!
Would you prefer something like having limited tolerances to some toxins, as suggest by Buzzboy (comment #6) in this Thrive Steam Discussion page?

We need toxin antibodies, or drug resistance :: Thrive General Discussions

[Rathalos]

It’s definitely a balancing act between making engulfment useless and making defensive toxins useless!

But for now, pili and your own offensive toxins are always options for killing toxic prey before engulfing their parts.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

That still leaves you waiting for the corpse-dispersed toxins to vanish I think. Resistance to them should definitely be possible later on though.

[Scyobi_Empire (has far too many pseudonyms)]

no toxin resistence makes phagocyte cells useless as even if a cell only has speed reducing toxin, you will still take damage (usually to death). unlike chitin and cellulose, toxins have 0 way to circumvent them, whether youre a eukaryote or a prokaryote. yes, you can just kill the cell beforehand but that would turn your phagocyte into more of a generalist as well as leading to even more NPC toxic cells turning the game into a bullet hell

Lysosomes irl break down toxins, (as “digesting” cells is a toxic process), so specialisation/upgrades to make it neutralise specific toxic agents would allow for a ‘filter feeder’ to not explode the second they eat a glorified sedative as well as not being too OP as you’d need to specialise specific lysomones to break down specific toxins

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

I am not sure that even if useful, would toxin breakdown system fit in the current roadmap.

Also good to see you posting again.

[Rathalos]

Indeed any changes to this mechanic would be volunteer work, since we’re kind of past it on the road map, but:

I think the idea of using lysozomes to limit toxin damage makes sense. But I wouldn’t want it to completely disable defensive toxins, so we’d have to ensure having more toxins would also increase the damage, turning it into an arms race.

I also think having resistance to each toxin type individually makes logical sense but is probably overly complicated, so I would change it to just having a lysosome upgrade that provides toxin resistance in general.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Would this new armsrace require some new miche-work to work properly?

[Rathalos]

I would have to check if the damage from engulfing a poisonous cell is correctly set up as effected by toxin resistance. But if it is, all auto-evo needs is the predation Pressure having a mutation strategy added to use the new upgrade. The rest should work itself out, with some balancing.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

May still be too much for our tight schedule

[hhyyrylainen]

Umm? It’s not on schedule whatsoever as this would be a microbe stage feature, and the stage is done so no development time will be scheduled for this at all.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

One could say I told mine part as an “even if microbe features were still being “worked on”, …”.
Honestly right now it kind of feels like features “meant for the volunteers enthustiastic enough” are simply bound to be shelved for a long time, especially the “larger” ones (such as this).

[Rathalos]

@aah31415

May still be too much for our tight schedule

As I said before, this would be a volunteer project in any case.

@aah31415

Honestly right now it kind of feels like features “meant for the volunteers enthustiastic enough” are simply bound to be shelved for a long time, especially the “larger” ones (such as this).

Very likely yes. That’s just the way it is, we don’t have infinite resources. (including volunteers)

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

If anything I’d expect this to come up again seriously later into the macro development