Glucose-producing Vacuoles & Rubisco

[vej (Vejou)]

Not sure where suggestions go.

I was reading some of the old discussion on ATP storage (converting ATP to another molecule, like glucose, or whatever means of storing).
Is there no way to have this as a subtype of vacuole?

Something to consider.

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@vej

I was reading some of the old discussion on ATP storage.
Is there no way to have this as a subtype of vacuole?

It would probably be useless since ATP is drained super fast anyways

@vej

Also, why are there other types of vacuole as their own cell parts? Now that subtypes of parts exist (like specific types of cilia), why is toxin storage not a subtype? It could still incur some constant cost, unless subtypes don’t support that.

Probably because those “special” valuoles have properties a normal one doesn’t have. Though at the same time this could also be fixed… In the end though it’s probably not worth the effort to convert these into variants of the base vacuole.

[Oncpapa]

Cells in real-life don’t store ATP for precisely the same reason they use it, because it decomposes at a consistant rate when exposed to water, into ADP and phosphate, releasing energy which is used to power what the cell does.
If you had a vacoule of it, the ATP would burn up and have to be moved back to be produced again, which is (edit: usually) waste.

[vej (Vejou)]

actually types of vacuoles is a slippery slope because anything can be described as a vacuole. metabolosomes?vacuole that processes sugar. nucleus? vacuole that holds dna. building? vacuole

still all the current things named vacuole could be subtypes maybe (especially since the point of subtypes is having new actions), but subtypes should be more visible to the player, I would think. Why not list them smaller, in the full list of things? Just something to unhide them.

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@vej

still all the current things named vacuole could be subtypes maybe (especially since the point of subtypes is having new actions), but subtypes should be more visible to the player, I would think. Why not list them smaller, in the full list of things? Just something to unhide them.

You mean in the organelles-to-place menu on the left side of the editor when you hover over “vacuole” it would show all it’s types?

[vej (Vejou)]

ATP storage was a discussion elsewhere, it was storing it by creating glucose. It would just make sense as a specialized vacuole, hence this post. This isn’t about the logistics of that.

[Oncpapa]

I didn’t dispute a glucose vacoule, that’s reasonable. You said ATP vacoule subtype.

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Pretty sure glucose vacuoles are supported in-game atm

[vej (Vejou)]

bioluminescent vacuole, unless i am wrong, makes bioluminescence. this one would make glucose out of ATP

[vej (Vejou)]

ill edit with more info

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I’ll just say the idea of a reverse ATP to Glucose organelle was planned sometime ago but it got shelved due to problems with the implementation iirc

[vej (Vejou)]

what killed the idea?

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I think they also didn’t have a guy to model and texture the thing at the time

[vej (Vejou)]

in my opinion glucose to ATP sounds like an organelle upgrade for anything, even vacuoles (for example, current organelles that produce glucose could come with it by default, and removing it would have them make ATP). are organelle upgrades planned?

[vej (Vejou)]

this topic is too confusing how do I split it

we need one topic for glucose vacuoles and one topic for merging all vacuoles into types

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Only a moderator/admin can do that.
Also do not doublepost.

[Oncpapa]

Bioluminessencent vacoules are vacoules because they store a compound which makes light as it decomposes, which is synthesized with ATP for energy.

Vacoules are a lipid membrane in the cell which is used for storage.
I’m confused, this thread is both asking for new vacoules which a single compound each, and a new organelle for using ATP to make energy storage; correct?

[vej (Vejou)]

not correct, this post is asking about implementing ATP storage (via creating glucose) as a subtype of vacuole. this would be the organelle that runs the ATP-Glucose production, as biolum. vacuole runs the biolum. production.

[Oncpapa]

So the scrapped RuBisCo organelle idea, as an upgrade for the vacoule?

[vej (Vejou)]

yeah either that or as a subtype of vacuole like how the pully cilia is a subtype of cilia

p.s.: did not mean to delete this post, very easy button to hit. going to rename this whole topic for the glucose vacuole thing and make a new one for the other question about subtypes