Unirronically this is a good idea, since moderm vertabrates evolved by neotony.
Also on an other stuff first multicellular animal life had an outer layer made of cells with flagellum and an inside filled with fluids an amobea cells. How do we incormporate such stuff in thrive.
And a third part, how will the game make your organism looks. Moving from a 2d movement segment to 3d movement segment of multicell stage ?
Maybe Transition from Early to Late Multicellular could be done by making your single-cell hexes 4-cell, 9-cell, 16-cell etc., You would basically have option to multiply all cells in your organisms to this next hex level for 100 MPs, and you would get to late multicell when you have 1000 cells. When moving from 1 to 1000 cell organisms game will turn from 2D to 3D as well. At end of transition, you will get choice to make your organism clip by itself, like circle rotating 90 degrees and creating sphere, to create radial/spherical symmetry organism. Or you could just turn your organism into torso made of metaballs, which would start appearing as you get more cells per hex. This could be better than current “20 cells to late multicellular” solution, as it would not allow cell types with 1 cell representative to become it’s own tissue.
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I came up with a small idea to make the change from Microbe to Multicellular feel more fluid than it is at the moment. I think that the “Become Multicellular” button we have now isn’t the smoothest of transition. My idea would be that when you first binded with another cell, the reproduction button would change into a counter, telling you how many cells you have to bind with. This would change back if you unbinded. When you binded with enough cells, the reproduction button would change into a button showing two cells binding to become one multicellular organism. Pressing the button would enter the Multicellular Editor, and the Multicellular Stage.
Button Icons (Not polished, just concepts)
Binded Cells Counter -
Become Multicellular Button -
I hope you liked this idea!
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zooids? you know those composite organisms
I actually very much like the idea of the reproduction button becoming a counter, and by extent, the progression button. This works perfectly in the context of the microbe stage where reproduction is otherwise blocked while in a colony.
It’s a good and simple idea!
However, we will need to consider consistency with later stages, which will not have bound colonies and member requirements that will not likely prevent reproduction. Thus in such stages, we would ideally need the buttons for reproduction and advancement to remain separate.
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For early multicell, there definitely needs to be the option to make new cells instead of duplicating a different cell. Also allowing toxins to be used from other cell parts should be added (this would also apply to microbe colonies).
Maybe a pheromone system to give early communication between organisms/cells. Being able to send/receive signals about food, prey, predators, and possibly even reproduction would give more intelligence to early organisms.
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The idea behind duplicating cell types is that all cells in the body are descended from each other, essentially evolving from each other. It is actually rather implausible to conjure up an entirely new cell unrelated from the rest.
Developing cells from each other is also part of the challenge; The more specialized and evolved the cell is, the harder it will be to create a different specialization from it. The more basic and simple, the easier it will be to diverge into different forms of specialization (Think stem cells). A wise player might keep a basic cell around for this very purpose, even if they don’t use it in their creature proper.
As for the pheromone system you mention, that’s the role of signaling agents.
Almost all parts will have a purpose in later stages; Chemoreceptors are for your sense of smell, signaling agents will allow you to create pheromonal glands, eye-spots will allow you to create eyes, lysosomes will allow you to form a stomach, and so on.
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What about not allowing the player to design their colony initially? Instead of allowing to make a helicopter, all the other cells can slide around the players cell to form a sphere. When the player unlocks the multicellular editor (with much more than 5 cells, maybe a hundred or so), he or she can start with an already three dimentional ball shape (the playthrough can still be 2.5d though). After that the evolution can follow steps similar to embryogenesis.
Есть идея формирования природных зон с помощью живых организмов проживающих на данной территории, то есть в одной ячейке проживают гигантские травянистые растения(1 природная зона), в другой ячейке произрастают мелкие хемотрофные организмы (2 природная зона).
I do think it no a bad idea, even so, its all based on how the plants grow and how they evolve and the erviamnt they have.
according to the plan in the future, its plan, but again, it is not like this patch fixed like one part its high plant and the other its small chemotropism. its all about how life adapts to that envarmant and how they fix themself, like real life biomes.
but here I have not right to answer that q.
(I know Russan, but I cant write that, if I do right, here if English fix. so next time, try to write English if u know or use Google translate)
[to the one who don’t know what wrihe:
I have an idea about forming natural zones with the help of living organisms living in a given territory, that is, giant grass-like plants live in one patch cell (natural zone 1), and small chemotrophic organisms grow in another patch cell (natural zone 2).]
welcome to the forums and please use english
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Here’s what he said:
There is an idea of the formation of natural zones with the help of living organisms living in a given territory, that is, giant herbaceous plants live in one cell (1 natural zone), in another cell small chemotrophic organisms grow (2 natural zone).
Doom already translates it…
I would love to see the macroscoping editor to have a way to create eyes from a single cell and such stuff. There also should be a way to make interior parts that would later make internal organs.
Also how will you grow your species in size?
Once cell growth order is implemented for early multicellular, you should add splitting you whole organism as a reproduction option and make it default;
I say this because new players seem to get really confused when they enter multicellular and then see one cell, and then think it just isn’t implemented.
I think this would alleviate that somewhat, although it should probably be (one of) the least efficient option(s).
Budding seems more scientifically plausible to be the initial reproduction method.
I plan on adding a tutorial welcoming the player to the new stage which’ll explain it:
Edit: also if the cell growth order is added, the players would need to go to the reproduction tab to change it. That’s where they’ll see they are using the budding reproduction, though granted that option currently doesn’t have an explanation tooltip.
I want to ask question: Who the F🇧🇪 decided to turn nematocysts into organelle in future if it is a cell type?
The author of the idea apologized, but it was probably just on the dev discord that they got the organelle name and the species name that uses it mixed up.
I’ve been referring to cnidocysts as nematocysts for a couple months now. I admit it is a very easy mistake to make.