How recently did the idea become a possibility?
as in, viable, or possible to have?
if you mean viable, it hasnât yet.
if you mean possible to have, as soon as electrets were given their name(which is also when they were discovered to be what they are)
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You did mention that making this structure should be ârelativelyâ simple though. Or did you mean that it would be simple in the future?
wait do you mean the specific type of electret, or using an electret as a power source?
cause those have two Very different answers
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I meant the example with the two copper plates with current that would be flowing while the water the whole thing is submerged in freezes
oh, thatâs only viable if you live in an arctic climate
and it was copper wires going through a cylinder of salt water, not copper plates on either side of it
and you also would probably have to freeze it fast enough it turns into acrystalline ice, which is rather hard to do
so, theoretically viable, but not commercially or realistically viable
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What if no electret ever reaches such voltage levels that it would become viable to harvest energy off of them?
then you make either hyper-efficient or extremely low power devices to run off of them.
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You still do plan to test the theory even if they donât get any better anytime soon?
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How on earth would we ever get immortaity? That violates entropy and conservation of ensrgy i think. Like thats litterally impossible. When i say immortal i mean curing aging, i dont think we can offer more than that + very good medical care.
Additionally, its a very reasonable trade to accept a bit less motivation in exchange for a better, less stressful life. extreme situations tend to allow us to acomplish ammazing things, but we dont use the trauma of famine to motivate farmers, and we work quite hard to work around giving soldiers ptsd, dispite both working totally fine for 99% lf history. i would take free socialized housing the same way i take free roads and police and more or less free schools. I ubderstand this reduces my motivation to work, and i think thats great
additionaly, what has this conversation become ??
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i already have an idea of how to make sure they get better soon
it should, in theory, turn them from âstatic electrical field with no real external charge carrying particles, oh and some ionic particles get preferentially pushed through pores in the materialâ to a proper particle accelerator, that uses that same static electrical field to accelerate the particles
how exactly?
survival is the process of fighting against entropy, hard enough that you stay in the proper structure to continue fighting against it
true immortality is just doing that, forever
if it violated those, so would life as a whole.
and itâs not like being functionally immortal means you donât need to acquire energy to prevent yourself from going into an extremely durable form of cryptobiosis
this.
i have no idea
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Surviving against entropy requires energy that will be gone from outside sources by the time of heat death proper. We may get âimmortalâ in this age of the universe but later on that would become impossible.
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if you can get a heat pump with a COP over 1, that works at milikelvins, you can survive the heat death of the universe
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Wouldnât that be an energy generator, something physics forbids?
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no. it would be an energy concentrator.
heat is energy, and a heat pumpâs COP drops to 0 as soon as there is no heat for it to move.
and working at milikelvins does exclude vapour-compression heat pumps, but it does not exclude pseudofluid heat pumps, especially ones with superfluid helium moving the heat from the particles to the walls of the tube.
my personal favorite type of pseudofluid heat pump is one that uses a magnetocaloric pseudofluid, and adds/removes heat to/from it by having the condenser be strongly magnetized, and the rest be unable to polarize the alloy of which the core of the pseudofluid particles are made of.
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So you would always be stuck with the same amount of energy?
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correct.
but you would be able to change it between all of its forms that you can keep within the box.
and itâd be very complicated, and require many, many shells of many different types of heat pump.
personally, if i had the resources to, iâd look into heat pumps that use acids or bases that have extremely low boiling points(possibly He2+, but that requires difluorinating helium, and then defluorinating it.), or even plasma heat pumps
and also, nearly all vapour-compression heat pumps have a COP of at least 2
Honestly, this seems like a depressing end for the sapients of the universe. Minds trapped within static pumps for an eternity, or at least as long as some processes that occur at such timescales donât slowly drain the pump off itâs energy.
you could put an entire galaxy within the shell if you engineer it right.
a better option though, would be to have a galaxy of those shells, each of which contains a star system(and thus, shall be dubbed starshells), a way to move matter in and out of the shells, along magnetic rail systems(for transport between them), and lines for communication(if you havenât discovered a method of truly instant communication yet, or if said method requires them), and lights on the inner wall of the innermost shell, that allow you to show the inhabitants the relative position of all the other starshells, by placing a dot for each star, and varying the size, luminosity, and emission spectrum of the dot
of course, showing the inhabitants all of that would take a lot of processing power, but even in modern computers, the actual computation doesnât use up any energy that doesnât immediately get released as heat, so you could just run some LN2 or LH2 (orLHe if youâre feeling particularly picky for efficiency) turbines off of the processors.
and the shells wouldnât contain actual stars either, just a large gravity well and something around it to emit light.
and one of the purposes of the starshell is to reflect or absorb all light that tries to escape, but preferably mainly absorb, otherwise youâd just get an overly bright mess inside.
and that way you could also track the spectra that other shells would see, and send them that data
a much more efficient, though less fun, idea though, is to have each one be a planet sized ring colony thing inside the shell, so you can directly heat stuff inside the shells, rather than having to turn the heat into electricity and then back again, which would technically be 100% efficient in the conversion steps if you do it right(and all electric heaters are technically 100% efficient, since electricity releases lost energy almost entirely as heat, and what doesnât get released as heat does eventually turn into heat), but would have significant radiative losses in moving it
anyways, it wouldnât be nearly as bleak as it seems just based on a basic explanation
Just how much materials would be needed to construct even a single âstarshellâ?
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