Multicellular and Macroscopic and Trophic Lineages

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Hm. So theoretically if you set the multiplier high enough once multicellular autoevo is added, could some species reach the 20-cell goal in two-three steps or would we want to avoid that?

[Rathalos]

@AnthropocenianAge

Maybe buffs should cap out at 100%? I don’t know if that would be too high, since buffs are still in the planning stages at this point.

@aah31415

I think the cap being at 100% could work, especially if getting there is already hard enough…

Well if you take a very simple system of “bonus% = hexes-that-are-this-organelle%”, then the bonus is per definition capped at 100%. In practise much lower because you need more than one organelle type for a cell to survive (not to mention the nucleus).

@Deus, has a suggestion like this for specialisation/cell differentiation come up before?

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Could a cell only ever have one bonus or multiple bonuses for a single cell type would be possible?

[Rathalos]

I would say multiple, so a cell that’s just mitochondria and flagella is very good at speed and making ATP to power it, but needs to get glucose from other cells.

Having no limit on the number of bonuses also has the advantage of avoiding one of:

1. Involuntarily switching from one bonus to another if you increase the % of the second-highest too much. For example, place one more flagella, and you lose the mitochondria bonus in favour of the flagella bonus, completely killing your cell because you suddenly produce much less ATP and consume much more.
2. Having to make UI to support choosing which bonus you want.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Wouldn’t that make most cells already get an ATP bonus if they’re using one type of energy organelle (just mitochondrions for instance)?

[Rathalos]

@aah31415

Wouldn’t that make most cells already get an ATP bonus if they’re using one type of energy organelle (just mitochondrions for instance)?

Sure! But I don’t think that’s really a problem? Using one instead of several energy sources is just another form of specialisation. A multi-troph can still uses different energy sources in different cells. and there are two options:

1. Limit to multicellular organisms.
2. Also apply to unicellular organisms. This gives a boost to specialists over generalists.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

@Rathalos

Also apply to unicellular organisms. This gives a boost to specialists over generalists.

That’s what I’d want to happen if such boost were to be implemented since otherwise you’d just get a massive atp production boost when going into multicellular out of nowhere.

[AnthropocenianAge (𝒜𝓇𝓉𝒽𝓇𝑜𝓅𝓁𝑒𝓊𝓇𝒶 𝓌𝒶𝓃𝓉𝓈 𝓉𝑜 𝑔𝒾𝓋𝑒 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝒶 𝒽𝓊𝑔!)]

So it is possible to make the AI have the exact same MP amount as the Player?

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Isn’t that the default way it is on normal mode?

[Rathalos]

@aah31415

That’s what I’d want to happen if such boost were to be implemented since otherwise you’d just get a massive atp production boost when going into multicellular out of nowhere.

Agreed. And this also made me realise this should ignore the nucleus, or placing it would be too swingy.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Why would nucleus need a bonus?

[AnthropocenianAge (𝒜𝓇𝓉𝒽𝓇𝑜𝓅𝓁𝑒𝓊𝓇𝒶 𝓌𝒶𝓃𝓉𝓈 𝓉𝑜 𝑔𝒾𝓋𝑒 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝒶 𝒽𝓊𝑔!)]

Does a 1x multiplier mean the AI gets a similar MP amount like the Player, or is 1x multiplier not equal to the Player amount of MP? If I remember correctly, Easy Mode has 0.9x multiplier.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

I have no idea, but 1x being 100 mp would make the most sense.

[Rathalos]

It wouldn’t but I meant a simple “25% of your cell’s hexes are mitochondria, they get a 25% boost” system should probably ignore the nucleus when calculating the %.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Oh I see. Should it also ignore binding agent?

[AnthropocenianAge (𝒜𝓇𝓉𝒽𝓇𝑜𝓅𝓁𝑒𝓊𝓇𝒶 𝓌𝒶𝓃𝓉𝓈 𝓉𝑜 𝑔𝒾𝓋𝑒 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝒶 𝒽𝓊𝑔!)]

And the Signaling Agent, too?

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

S-agent isn’t needed for multicellularity so it probably shouldnt be included on the excluded list.

[Rathalos]

@aah31415

Oh I see. Should it also ignore binding agent?

@AnthropocenianAge

And the Signaling Agent, too?

Both less important since they’re only one hex.

Technically binding agent could be ignored since you are forced to have it in every cell. But Signalling agent should not be ignored, since you can choose to only keep it in one cell.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

What sort of bonus would s-agent even give?

[Rathalos]

Well, I don’t think there’s ever going to be s-agent specialised cells. But I figured for any organelle where no proper statistic to boost can be found, the boost can instead go to decreasing ATP and reproduction cost.