Multicellular Species not evolving

[CosmosStudios]

So far in my first game in the new update, only one new multicellular species has spawned, and it went extinct immediately afterwards. Is there anything that I am doing wrong in terms of gameplay or could it be a bug?

[AnthropocenianAge (𝒜𝓇𝓉𝒽𝓇𝑜𝓅𝓁𝑒𝓊𝓇𝒶 𝓌𝒶𝓃𝓉𝓈 𝓉𝑜 𝑔𝒾𝓋𝑒 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝒶 𝒽𝓊𝑔!)]

I am not a dev, but Multicellular Auto-Evo still needs some tweaking, as this is the first version of Multicellular Auto-Evo. Just like with Microbe Stage Auto-Evo, try to make your Multicellular organism very successful, which increases the likelihood of Multicellular Auto-Evo liking your organism and having other Multcellular organisms split off.

[CosmosStudios]

It is really successful right now. I have tons of prey, no predators, and an atmosphere with much more oxygen to use than normal, and yet there still haven’t been any other multicellular species.

[AnthropocenianAge (𝒜𝓇𝓉𝒽𝓇𝑜𝓅𝓁𝑒𝓊𝓇𝒶 𝓌𝒶𝓃𝓉𝓈 𝓉𝑜 𝑔𝒾𝓋𝑒 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝒶 𝒽𝓊𝑔!)]

Yeah. Rathalos, one of the game devs, is working on improving Multicellular Auto-Evo.

[CosmosStudios]

So that’s an issue that they’ve run into?

[AnthropocenianAge (𝒜𝓇𝓉𝒽𝓇𝑜𝓅𝓁𝑒𝓊𝓇𝒶 𝓌𝒶𝓃𝓉𝓈 𝓉𝑜 𝑔𝒾𝓋𝑒 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝒶 𝒽𝓊𝑔!)]

aah31415 on the 1.6.0.0 feedback thread also noticed Multicellular organisms that do spawn off tend to not do well.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

You may also have more multicell species by having a large range when entering multicell

[Rathalos]

Multicellular auto-evo is indeed in an early state, and does not have a full spectrum of mutations available yet, which means they can’t mutate beneficially in all the ways that single-celled species can.

And that matter because of the other problem: each food source in a patch can only sustain one species in the long term. That’s currently the case for performance reasons, but it also means that single-celled and multicellular species are directly competing with each other over very few slots.

@CosmosStudios

It is really successful right now. I have tons of prey, no predators, and an atmosphere with much more oxygen to use than normal, and yet there still haven’t been any other multicellular species.

“Successful” means “successful according to auto-evo”, so a high amount of energy gathered (which leads to higher population. UNfortunately the auto-evo scoring does not always correspond well to what looks like it works well in-game.

But it can definitely work to have a high population, and one spread over many patches.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

I presume the plan with multicell autoevo is for its organisms to eventually displace the microbial ones from their miches (but not end them alltogether)?

[Rathalos]

That’s kind of the “plan” by default, but still something I would like to avoid by splitting up miches.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

So that each miche would have a microbe and a multicellular arm so that the two stages of organisms can coexist?

[Rathalos]

Preferably not explicitly divided by stage (though it’s an option if nothing else works), but possibly with conditions that favour them.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

So maybe by the specialization %?

[Rathalos]

Unlikely. Specialization affects a bunch of other things, so it just affects how well the organism scores in all sorts of places.

I was thinking mainly of reproduction speed (mostly size), which has real life ecological value, and being especially predator resistant.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

@Rathalos

I was thinking mainly of reproduction speed (mostly size),

So kind of like a r-K divide but on the micro scales?

[Rathalos]

Kind of similar, but also not. In this case only looking at how fast for example 1 cell could reproduce to consume all the resources in a suddenly abundant area, and taking that as a positive for one branch.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

I think a similar solution could be added for prokaryotes since iirc in 1.1.0 at least they would always be all outcompeted to extinction by eukaryotes