Smartphone (and social media) bad discussion

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  • I remember writing a little one pager about homework, it actually negatively impacts grades and learning, that’s one thing should at least told to teachers.

  • Hot take; Hands on learning and doing fun stuff, I’m lucky enough to have been in my schools gifted program where we did stuff like that, and for a 50th of the time it taught me as much as my other classes and got me into interested in learning.

  • time to relax, doesn’t need to be a hour long break just a few minutes to talk so you actually want to be there.

There’s three I could immediately think of.

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I moved all of these posts to a new thread to not clog up the misc talk.

My opinion is that it is basically pointless to even consider trying to ban smartphones, because such a ban could not be implemented (in a democracy people would very heavily object, and in authoritarian regimes you would have the elite use smartphones in secret and the general public also using them illegally). You cannot try to ban something that basically every person uses. And then if you tried to ban it just from kids, kids would get access anyway as it would be seen as the super cool thing that every adult does (so it would be even more prevalent than kids smoking at school).

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these days its vaping, god so many kids vape, I’m worried about my younger siblings as they’re getting to the age, and happen to be very influensible to marketing and social pressure.

I will not explain my position on education because not only would it be so long it would take minutes to scroll past, but it isn’t fully formed, I’m really undecided about a lot of stuff, and it needs to be put in context, and, apologies, I do not trust y’all with my personal education history at all, it’s not like identifying but I’m not explaining stuff and dealing with misconceptions for ages. This place is basically public, i would need to explain so well for literally everyone to understand stuff, and a lot of people are just bad at reading.

However, number 0 problem with schools where I live, very politics-y and largely an American thing: Shootings. More broadly, America doesn’t believe in safety. Our prisons are basically war crimes, our roads kill millions, our police are trained to respond in kind too the fact that we let anyone have a machines gun, ect. I’m not saying the form reform has to take, but I don’t understand people who think everything is fine, are you crazy?

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Its just bad, why are you even talking about this ? :sweat_smile:

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That’s insane! Must’ve been a miserable experience.

Unfortunately, this is not exactly the case. Boring, exhausting classes that provide little practical benefits; yelling, abusive teachers; strange methods of problem-solving; bullying; lack of basic resources such as soap or toilet paper in bathrooms (and underfunding in general) are such prevalent and widespread issues amongst Polish schools, that they have become stereotypes. To the vast majority of Poles this is what a “normal” school experience looks like. Most people just agree that school simply sucks, and that it always sucked, end of conversation. There is thankfully a slowly growing movement of teachers, parents, students and alike, who are aware of the problems plaguing Polish education and who are actively working to combat them, however, in terms of widespread systemic changes, there wasn’t much success.

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Cuz I suggested a terrible idea, but at least I learn from it (probably not).

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Man, that sounds like old-timey education my dad went through in the 50s (he was pretty old).

That’s bioterrorism at its peak.

I don’t know why, but it just popped into my mind that banning something everyone has is nearly impossible in a democracy. I honestly don’t agree with the approval of wearing guns in public and all that :belgium:, but this might be the reason why it’s so difficult to regulate. Because of all the gun preachers and the Republicans.

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No it’s largely because the NRA pays for all the congressmen’s ferraris and yachts and whatnot.

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That sounds very corrupt.

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When it comes to policy and regulation, you always have to contend with human nature and have base assumptions, such as…

  1. People/corporations always cut corners to save costs
  2. People gravitate towards what they perceive as immediately beneficial to them, and do generally do not weigh potential far off costs; either from a lack of information or a heavier prioritization of the immediate benefit.

Assumptions 1 can be seen as the basis of basically all labor/corporate regulations, assumption 2 can be seen as the basis of climate and substance regulation, etc.

So the job of the government when issuing regulation is to be aware of how our society behaves, and protect them from exploitation.

Kids will always have access to smartphones, will generally desire that access, and parents will have varying degrees of control over this access in the household. That is a given, and is something you can’t change or control.

What you can control are institutions that exploit these tendencies. Kids will want their smartphones and parents will want to control that access in a healthy manor, but how fair is it to the parent that we have algorithms on social media that filter for the most addictive, dopamine-spiking content? Is it fair that kids are constantly shown advertisements for easily accessible online currencies, such as in-game money, cosmetic items, and more? Is it fair that there are mega-corporations gathering and selling data, even on minors, to feed the belt and slam their brain with all these commercials for products and services?

Regulating these institutions is a better way of making sure our children are growing healthier rather than instituting an arbitrary ban, penalizing the consumer for the predatory world the suits built.

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It’s called lobbying so it’s not a bribe because there’s like taxes and you have to form a legal nonprofit and stuff, so… YES! IT IS CORRUPT! IT’S JUST NORMAL I GUESS? If you want to know more I recommend this.

Problem is about 40% of Americans refuse to see the world on an institutional level because they took the word individualism too literally, or else listened to Ayn Rand or a politician do that for them, in fact this is what a british politician said on the matter:

“you know, there’s no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families”

guess which one said that. It’s belgiuming obvious. Also like 75 percent of that 40% think regulation is inherently evil or something.

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It should be noted that the American school system is based off of the Prussian school system, which was implemented after they lost a war and decided that they needed to improve the quality of their soldiers. The school system was thus centered around the idea of preparing the next generation to be in the military, which is why it places such emphasis on obedience and mindlessly regurgitating information.

I don’t know about other countries, but if they’re anything like the American school system then it was most likely based on the Prussian model.

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The prussian model was basically foundational because it was publicly funded and universal, more or less all previous school systems were private or at least very selective about admissions.

Also in the US we have another very interesting school system: the charter school. Also, a third: homeschooling. Also, a zeroth: an extremely robust private school system. All the stuff people complain about, it’s basically optional if you have time or money. People who say everyone has an equal chance at basically anything are all deluding themselves. And yes, I’m talking about class, but race applies too, because when you start from nothing and the whole system is designed to crush you down, it doesn’t matter if the part where it specifically crushes you gets removed if it also crushes anyone whose parents have been crushed. It’d kinda obvious if you think about it. Also, I know non-discrimination laws exist, class oppression like this doesn’t require any active discrimination at all really, so it doesn’t matter if you think that wage gaps between races can’t exist because that’d be illegal, or any other sort of discrimination you’ve decided is illegal. (also the laws aren’t properly enforced but I don’t even need to bring that up)

if you’re wondering why I’m focusing on such a silly idea, denying America’s obvious history/present, it’s because I live in a mildly conservative town, so that’s considered a normal opinion.

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Yeah, the current school system is fundamentally broken in a number of ways, but hopefully the law will change to be more in favor of school choice - that should fix most of the problems.

Also you’re getting pretty political, Deathwake. You should probably tone it down a bit.

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Honestly this whole thread is. I’m just going a bit off topic. It’s a coincidence (likely the fact non of us are millionaires (I hope, if you were have to guillotine you) and we’re all reasonably well educated) that no one here is on the side that addictive social media is good actually. If someone thought tiktok was God’s gift to man, they’d probably find this thread pretty political. We consider it common sense that something has to change, and the people who don’t also don’t really care, but that isn’t a garrentee. I personally think that a) the personal is political so politics can’t be banned, and 2) this thread should be banned or forcibly moved to a PM if we are really trying to be a non political forum.

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If we count under units of zero, 0 × 0 is still 0, making me a fujsowudbakwirbdnaiaillionare :money_mouth_face:

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No that doesn’t mean that you’re a millionare.
We should also reduce the amount of politics in this thread or else the big blue robot eye will not be happy.

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I think this thread has drifted offtopic and also discussed American politics pretty clearly so I’ll say that it is time to end the “smartphone” discussion.

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