THE NEW Miscellaneous Talk That Doesn't Deserve A New Thread Thread Thread (Part 2)

No, I’m using a mirror so it turns on you!


In the future, I’m going to move to Linux. However, that means that I will not be able to use Visual Studio unless I run it in a VM, which I don’t want to do. I could use Visual Studio Code, but it’s a text editor; what I want is an IDE. There are JetBrains products, but they are quite expensive. Then, there is Eclipse, but it has a pretty bad reputation apparently. How crazy would I be if I tried to make my own IDE? I remember having that discussion with hhyyrylainen, but I could not find it. Otherwise, I guess I could buy a Macbook and run VS unless they force the user to have an account.

EDIT: Ah, what the heck, I’ll use Eclipse anyway.

I just tried Eclipse to see what it looks like and it doesn’t look so bad, although I was surprised that the code editor was a separate window.

There’s also Emacs with lsp-mode.
Or neovim which I think also supports lsp.

How exactly? Unless you plan on getting an older intel macbook and double booting Windows, you won’t be using Visual Studio. Visual Studio for mac is actually just a reskin of Xamarin Develop. It is from what I’ve heard probably even worse than VS Code for general programming. It is really only meant for crossplatform C# GUI app development, anything else it is not probably configured for.

Totally crazy. The most you should do is use Emacs or VIM and add a ton of plugins to add all IDE features you want into them.

I’ve recently read some really bad opinions on Eclipse, it just is terrible. Even NetBeans (another free Java IDE) got better “reviews”.

Wouldn’t it be easier if I forked Eclipse and just revamped it? Or would it be just as hard? Also, I learned that the EPL license, which Eclipse falls under, is not compatible with the GPL license. Does that mean that they can’t use the GCC compiler for C++ since it has the GPL license? Furthermore, if I forked Eclipse, would my fork inherit the EPL license? If so, can I change from one license to another like from EPL to MIT?

Update: I just learned that Eclipse is actually running on an exe file.

How can it run on an exe file and not on a jar file like Minecraft? Wasn’t it made with Java?

Update 2: Okay, so it seems that you can compile Java programs into jar files and then convert jar files into exe files. But why would someone do that? Would it make the program run faster?

Oh wait, he’s in vacation now.

It is easier, but it trades the complexity of doing things from scratch to getting familiar enough with a massive system to make changes. You are much better of customizing emacs as it is meant to be fully customizable with lisp programming. Trying to get an editor (granted Eclipse has a plugin interface) to act completely differently than it was designed to do is going to be hard work fighting against the existing architecture.

No… you should read into what constitutes a single piece of software. Invoking a compiler through what is basically the command line interface is a clearly defined interface between programs. Only the AGPL cares about how the program is operated.

Some licenses allow switching to a different license, but that is always in the direction from more liberal to more restrictive. It would make 0 sense for things to be able to go the other way around.

Minecraft also runs an exe file… I’m going to strongly guess that Java can set itself to compile to a .exe file which basically automatically loads the right .jar file to make it easier for the user to run a piece of software. So it is all about usability to the end user. I can very easily imagine how much of a hurdle trying to run a .jar file is for the average computer user who just knows to double click anything with .exe on it to try to use some program.

I’m still here for casual chatting, I’ll avoid talking about Thrive related topics.

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BUT I HAVE SOOOOO MANY QUESTIONS TO ASK YOU ABOUT THRIVE!!!
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Nah, not really.

Bruh? I was just randomly scrolling and it seems that the poll type changed from multiple vote single vote, harming the final result. Must’ve happened during a forum update, I think, probably because the poll was never closed.

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It still shows as multiple choice to me…

Yeah, I too noticed the same thing happening*. I asked TeaKing if he changed the poll to veto an option but he said he doesn’t know what happened. It seems like there is an issue with the website, multiple choise polls are being turned into single choise polls but new voters can still vote more than once.

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I don’t get really what you mean. If new voters can vote for multiple options, then isn’t the poll multiple choice?

The point is some votes are being deleted

Okay, I voted for everything except the “other” option just to prove I can vote on them all. It seems everything works correctly. Also it is pretty weird that the votes are set to public on such a personal / medical information question. So what’s the problem? Polls can be modified for up to 5 minutes after creation. Modifying a poll during that time probably has the chance to cause some weird stuff.

And just for clarity, it should be obvious I don’t have all of the conditions, I just selected all the options for testing purposes.

edit: It is possible to change the votes and its best to close polls.

Well if you already voted in a poll, you can’t edit your vote. That’s not a feature that exists. Even if the vote was single vote, you voted and later the poll was edited to be multiple choice, your account still counts as having voted.

It happens the other way round.

This was way too many replies for this topic and hh still doesn’t get the main point, I’ll just do single choice polls if I do polls again, bye.

So what you are actually saying that converting a multichoice poll into a single choice one only keeps one vote from each voter? What should the software do? Obviously it is incorrect if one person is allowed to have multiple votes in a single choice poll.

Man, who would’ve thought that hhyyrylainen had all of those syndromes!

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I see, I didn’t realize that was a feature. Still then why don’t the people just unvote / vote again whose votes were lost?

A lot of them did that already. Still, I’ll probably close that poll soon as I think it’ll ‘solidify’ the results and thus prevent this issue from happening.