Transition Between Industrial and Space Stage (or even a new stage?)

Hello everyone! I have a pretty big idea i’ve been meaning to share for a while now (although this has probably been thought of already), about the transition from Industrial Stage to Space Stage. I’ve always thought that the change from Industrial to Space would be quite a leap. Since the Industrial stage would start upon the invention of industrial machinery, and would last until the invention of faster-than-light technology (correction - the Space Stage starts when the first rockets are launched).

One thing I always thought was weird about Spore, and would be even weirder in Thrive, is the fact that you went from a one-planet civilization straight to an interstellar one, skipping over the colonization of your solar system entirely. I feel as if this would be a very big part of a intelligent species history, the change from a planetary civ to an interplanetary one.

I think it would be a good idea for their to be a middle-ground between these two types of civs (Planetary and Interstellar), where before you set out to colonize other stars you first colonize your own solar system. Perhaps this could even be classified as it’s own stage (perhaps Solar Stage or Interplanetary Stage?) meant to connect Industrial and Space, similar to how Awakening connects Aware and Society, and also act as a kind-of tutorial for the Space Stage. (although the Space Stage would probably have to renamed if this happened, perhaps to the Galactic Stage?) Simply because it’s simpler, I’m going to refer to this time as a stage for the rest of this post.

This stage would most likely start when you set up your first self-sustaning colony off-world. The first part of the stage would most likely be centered around making space travel easier and much more affordable, perhaps through structures like skyhooks, Launch Loops, and space elevators on celestial bodies with sufficiently low gravity, then setting up more colonies around your solar system, and expanding your existing ones. If the colonies get big enough, they might eventually declare independence, leading to interesting things like interplanetary diplomacy and, (probably much later in the stage), warfare. Asteroid mining would also likely be a large part of the stage, as eventually it would much likely be much more economically viable than mining on planets.

Anyway, lets hop forwards in this “stage”, to when you have a large presence in your solar system, and other planets and moons have highly developed societies on them. At this point, you would probably start needing to build a megastructure around your home star, most likely a Dyson Swarm for your rapidly growing energy demands, although I think it would be interesting if you were also allowed to build other megastructures possible within known physics, like a Star Lifter for extracting heavy elements from your home star. Perhaps you could also start sending sub-lightspeed colony ships to other stars (athough concepts like Light Lag for communicating to other stars would be a difficult thing to get right).

After your civilization becomes a Kardashev 2 civilization, capable of controlling all of the energy in their solar system, you would most likely finally have the resources to research a method of faster-than-light travel, and enter the Space Stage.

Anyway, that was just a brief discussion of my idea, and I hope you like it. Please share your thoughts on it! There is a poll below if you think this shouldn’t be implemented, should be implemented or should be it’s own stage, and I’ll also leave links relating to the topics discussed. Thank you for reading through the whole post!

  • This shouldn’t be implemented.
  • This should be implemented.
  • This should be it’s own stage.

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Videos relating to topics discussed.

Dyson Spheres/Swarms -
How to Build a Dyson Sphere - The Ultimate Megastructure - YouTube

Skyhooks -
1,000km Cable to the Stars - The Skyhook - YouTube

The Kardashev Scale -
What Do Alien Civilizations Look Like? The Kardashev Scale - YouTube

Asteroid Mining -
Unlimited Resources From Space – Asteroid Mining - YouTube

Star Lifters -
Starlifting - YouTube

Launch Loops -
Launch Loops - YouTube

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The start point of the space stage has always been the first time your species makes a rocket and gets to space the first time.

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So humanity is in the space stage now? That doesn’t seem right to me, I would think it would your first self-sufficient interplanetary colony that would mark you as ‘space-stage’, not just a couple of short adventures.

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This isn’t that important because the transition between the stages are smooth. Their names may not even be explicitly stated in the final game.

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I know that the stage transitions are supposed to be smooth, but from what I’ve seen in other discussions before I was worrying that it would be like Spore again, jumping straight from a planetary civ to an interstellar one.

Also, I think it’s just nice if different parts of the game have their own “stage” name. I think interplanetary gameplay and interstellar gameplay might be different enough to both have different stage names. The fact that Space goes from the first rockets launched to literally becoming gods feels like quite the stretch, so it might be better to have another “stage” breaking it up, I suppose.

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I think this would be like how the multicellular stage is split into micro and macro “stages”. The space stage could be split into pre and post ftl.

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Yeah I agree, I think there at should at least be some kind of build up to being able to travel on a interstellar scale. Maybe late industrial you can start working on computer technology and rocket science and such, making small but impactful technological leaps until FTL travel is discovered

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