Types of Government

[50gens]

@fralegend015

@50gens

A facist democracy can either be a monarchy or a oligarchy

Is a contradiction, I literally could ignore everything else and this phrase would still contradict itself.

It should have been obious that I wasn’t using them in their full traditional meaning. A non facist democracy can be those things too.

Monarchy: There is no infighting.
Oligarchy: There is infighting

@fralegend015

Do you think that bureaucrats always have a saying in the decisions of the ruler? They don’t.

this is how infighting is prevented

@fralegend015

an absolute monarchy is a government in which the monarch has unrestrained control over the three powers of the state.

monarch+bureaucracy (ruling class) has (theoreticly) infinite authority, but in practice, they don’t. They can’t order the peasents to do anything.

@fralegend015

@50gens

An absolute monarchy has never existed in history

First of all, this is completely irrelevant.

I went on that tangent because I reference absolute power 3 sentences later.

@fralegend015

No, quite the contrary, fascism wants to enforce hierarchies, why did you think that fascism is statalist and nationalist?

I didn’t think that all the ideologies that are called facist in real life wanted to abolish hierarchies. I defined a hypotetical word spelled as “facism” that means “abolishing hierarchies”^[1] . I think it is a useful word and it fits the etymology of facism.

@fralegend015

Authoritarianism is a political system characterized by a controlling government and the rejection of democracy, human rights, and political plurality. It involves the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in the rule of law, separation of powers, and democratic voting.

@fralegend015

In authoritarianism there is a clear division between the ruling class and other classes, and the ruling class has absolute powers over the other classes

It just lists things authoriterianism is associated with. Authority just means power and power can be used to maintain or abolish hierarchies.

@fralegend015

An authoritarian state will enforce its hierarchies because that’s literally what the ruling class uses to rule

Lets say that there is a democracy and it keeps being a democracy

If the rulers are elected, it wouldn’t be permenant so there wouldn’t be a ruler class.

If elections stop, the ideology may look exactly like the previous ideology(such as facism) and it could still be popular for the time being but the ones in charge would start to form a ruling class.

@fralegend015

also, fascism is authoritarian, as such it can’t “only exist in democracies”.

“removal of hierarchies” is “uses force”, as such it exists only in “when there is no ruling class that would oppose the removal of hierarchies”

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1. and also different cultures because if people see each other as different their relationships can become hierarchical ↩︎

[hhyyrylainen]

@fralegend015

Use the actual fascism instead of creating an ideology that has beliefs that are both

Yeah, if people talk about a specific ideology using the definition of that is very much required. If people want to talk about authoritarianism with some specific features, then that should be talked about rather than trying to twist an existing well-defined term to mean something it doesn’t.

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@50gens please stop trying to argue about the meanings of words. In Thrive we will go with whatever Wikipedia gives as the definition (or a well known dictionary like Cambridge or what that other big one was I can’t remember right now). And the definitions of terms are not up for debate. You can get back to us if you get Wikipedia to change their page’s definition of fascism.

[ZombieAllstar]

Just wondering if the game will have ideologies in industrial stage.Another question.the game will have capitalism or communism because I want to start a cold war in a alien planet💲vs⚒️

[HexapodPhilosopher (Disguised as a rock, until you get too close...)]

It’ll definitely be possible to have a cold-war-type scenario in Thrive. But the Cold War had basically nothing to do with differing ideologies.