Underwater Civs 4.5 proving the system

FTL is theoretically possible. zzzz

If you want to prove it theoretically means youll do fluid simulations of it right? or at least some differential equations for water flow right?

Stop, it is possible, and did you forget about electric eels? Anyway, i shall calvulate the size of an electrical organ needed. If it is too large to make sense then I will explore other ideas.

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I did that already. I forget the actual numbers, but it was at least tens of thousands of pounds for arc welder amps and voltages, let alone arc forge, let alone arc forge that is constantly being quenched in water, assuming that could all be channeled through a single connection, which I dont think it can.

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Isn’t this already listed on the list?


Well then, thanks for saving me like an hour of work, now we need to crunch the possibilities of species linking up o produce the neccisary ampures.

humans have a pretty narrow viewpoint on the subject, we’re a land based species and have always been a land based species.
we don’t truly know if metalworking, electronics or any of the things we currently have technologically is necessary for a civilization.
as an example we once thought that life had to have a star for energy, or had to have water for life (so far not disproven but there are theories of life using liquid methane on other planets), or that life would be impossible on a frozen world or literally hell (venus), but now we have several theories on how they could work or have seen it work.
i believe that an underwater, spacefaring civilization IS possible, just not in the game, as we have to reference to how it would work, what technologies they would have, or even how long it would take them to reach that stage.
and even if it did it would probably brick most PCs and add on another lifetime or two to thrive’s development.

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The stack of electrocytes has long been compared to a voltaic pile, and may even have inspired the 1800 invention of the battery, since the analogy was already noted by Alessandro Volta. Source

So if they are analogous to batteries the logical question is “what, if any, electrical measurements increase when wiring together batteries?” Followed by “is that sufficient to solve the issue?”

When connecting in Parallel you are doubling the capacity (amp hours) of the battery while maintaining the voltage of one of the individual batteries. More source

So you’re only increasing capacity. I’ll look into the required voltage to smelt metal to make sure voltage isn’t irrelevant and only used for like, marketing on batteries.

After this I spiraled into weird off the wall reaserch and have found the equations I need, but I’ma switch to my laptop to do all the math.

sorry for double posting

According to Joule the heating equation, P = I²R, we need 1538 joules to melt a cubic centimeter of iron, which is basically the main roadblock. We’d definitely need far, far, more, but this is a good starting point. after hours (frantic minutes lol) of research i found that we have a basically unlimited amount of discharge time, 1 amp, 10 volts (could probably be doubled), and 3.6 GJ. That one amp basically dooms us though. To get to the melting point of iron we need 8.113 ohms of resistance in out heating element, absolutely zero heat lost to the environment, and days of heating. We can heat for days, but the environment dooms us. Water is stupidly good at soaking up heat. With a vacuum chamber (which we definitely do not have) we could connect wires directly to a piece or iron like from a meteor so it doesn’t need smelting, and find that the 100 hours i allotted is useless due to the high conductivity of iron, and if we waited weeks instead, heat radiation in the form of infrared light would instead render the iron mildly warmed. So yeah, find me a theoretical biological process that allows hundreds of amps at an electric eels volt-and discharge periods and you can maybe melt an iron cube smaller than a d6 after drying it off first.
(joules and hours can be increased by just adding more eels, or using a longer eel, so i just used the required joulage to melt iron and 100 hours, amps have to be one due to how electric organs discharge, and resistance was the output, far, far higher than the cubic centimeter of iron i’m using as a baseline, i’ll save this tab so i can recalculate with time or joules as the output)

sorry dude. I really have better things to do with my time anyways, i dont even like math.
edit: eels only have 3600 joules per hour i think? and we need a million. I know the amp-hours can be increased but since that relates to joules the opposite way it relates to hours (why i said hours are infinite with enough eels) stacking eels doesn’t help, and we need 3 million, so yeah

I enjoy math, yet i can COMPLETELY understand not liking it. For example, i hate geometry.

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geometry suckkks, anyways anyone who knows anything about electrical engineering can tell me i’m dumb, i most defiantly am, it’s just that i might have somehow failed to do something dumb calculating this.

am i a failure for only having this many tabs of research?

we’d also have to calculate electricity discharging into surrounding water and not just heating the water, so maybe like…25% electricity lost? Maybe more.

edit: 25% may be being generous…

i dislike having more then 10 tabs

no the calculations i did were for output over 100 hours so much, much more loss. water can absorb 4,184 joules of heat, more then an electric eel can make, while only going up a single degree C. so that means all of the heat we’re making

What if the underwater civ blocked off water freely flowing and kinda made a box but not in a river and or bay in order to reduce the ammount of electricity lost? Preferably with an insulating material.

This could greatly lessen the time (probably) and such of the eel needing to be electrifying.

first: very hard to do. second: how would they work the metal? third: air is a bit too much if you’re only adding a few hundred joules an hour

What if we do it in series

Please explain



im regular now!

volts don’t matter that much to the joule heating equation, but due to the whole mess of transforming one kind of electrical measurement into another we can use that to essentially just keep the process going. it increases stored electricity, not output rate

Aaand it’s gone as terrible as last time.