Comments on Specific Development Forum Posts

[AnthropocenianAge (𝒜𝓇𝓉𝒽𝓇𝑜𝓅𝓁𝑒𝓊𝓇𝒶 𝓌𝒶𝓃𝓉𝓈 𝓉𝑜 𝑔𝒾𝓋𝑒 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝒶 𝒽𝓊𝑔!)]

I don’t know if these will be used for auto-evo in the future. They probably will increase auto-evo time.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Which’d call for more optimization in return…

[Rathalos]

@AnthropocenianAge

Will the Simpson’s Diversity Index be used for measuring the diversity of species in Macroscopics stages and above

So, I definitely had the thought when I found this “Oh, we could also use this to calculate species diversity in ecosystems like it was meant for!” And then I realised right now we don’t actually have any design we would want to use that number for…

@AnthropocenianAge

or instead other measures of diversity, like the Shannon Diversity Index commonly used for measuring the diversity of microorganisms in microbiomes, be used instead?

Simpson’s was quite useful in the organelle specialisation case, because it’s a 0-to-1 output, which can be easily multiplied with a “max bonus size”. Looks like Shannon’s can go up to anything based on how many different species there are. It all depends on why we want this number and how we use it.

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I suppose it will be resolved wherever is shannon to be used within this year considering macro development is coming in the next one.

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Restart the Game Scene Every Spawn

hhyyrylainen:
The only way I’d ever personally accept this if we have a setting in the game where the player can select two options:

• Keep immediate surroundings on generation change
• Clear the world each time

Perhaps this could be put under “Experimental Settings” to get feedback from Players before putting it as a custom setting?

hhyyrylainen:

@Rathalos

I find this very odd, because as said, the majority of my time in Thrive, I am not at all dealing with a continuous environment. So the presence of a continuous environment is not some stable foundational assumption

Okay, we are playing a different game then.

I only switch patches when I have to and once I find the one I’m looking for, I won’t switch patches again.

This makes me wonder how often Players do switch patches, because I play the same way hhyyrylainen does. Especially when playing as a Radiotroph or Thermotroph. Staying in the same patch, unless it is absolutely necessary to move, just seems to be the safest option.

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I play much more like Rathalos in this regard. Would we want to keep those two playstyles or eliminate one?

[AnthropocenianAge (𝒜𝓇𝓉𝒽𝓇𝑜𝓅𝓁𝑒𝓊𝓇𝒶 𝓌𝒶𝓃𝓉𝓈 𝓉𝑜 𝑔𝒾𝓋𝑒 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝒶 𝒽𝓊𝑔!)]

It would be best to keep both playstyles.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

I agree, especially since some players might be generalist and move around the world while others might specialise in specific areas

[AnthropocenianAge (𝒜𝓇𝓉𝒽𝓇𝑜𝓅𝓁𝑒𝓊𝓇𝒶 𝓌𝒶𝓃𝓉𝓈 𝓉𝑜 𝑔𝒾𝓋𝑒 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝒶 𝒽𝓊𝑔!)]

Plus, the migration feature allows moving of a Player’s population without needing the Player to move around too much.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

I think some may prefer to also move around themselves

[Rathalos]

@AnthropocenianAge

Perhaps this could be put under “Experimental Settings” to get feedback from Players before putting it as a custom setting?

It would be possible, but I think given the team support behind it, it would make more sense to directly put it in the normal settings, since it would still be optional anyways.

@aah31415

Would we want to keep those two playstyles or eliminate one?

@AnthropocenianAge

It would be best to keep both playstyles.

To be clear: absolutely nobody is talking about removing a playstyle (That being staying in one patch or continuously migrating). We’re talking about changing one odd interaction between game mechanics and playstyle. (In how and when the game scene is reset)

If you ask me, if the proposed change is made, I will be more likely to stay in one patch than I am now.

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As a side note: if we’re going to make this optional, we might as well make resetting the game scene when switching patches optional also. That isn’t really much more inaccurate than not resetting while staying in the same patch, and would eliminate the discrepancy in both options.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

I presume such a scene reset for staying setting would be a completely independent setting to be selected upon a run’s creation?

[Rathalos]

Yes, that’s the idea!

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I suppose this will also apply to the later stages, as long as they have a similar system for keeping some familiarities after evolving and staying in the same area?

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Multicellular Cell Count/Size Cost

Deus:
It should scale with difficulty if possible, unless other osmoregulation-related costs are good enough to cover this.

• At Easy difficulty, this cost will be present and will limit rapid progression, but won’t necessarily make specialization and cell-adjacency absolutely determinant for success.
• At Normal difficulty, adjacency and specialization become very important for properly balancing, especially towards the later part of the stage.
• At Hard difficulty, adjacency and specialization are crucial from day one in the Multicellular Stage.

This sounds like a good idea. I hope the scaling rate will not be so punishing Players can still get to 20 cells needed for reaching Multicellular. I wonder how this Multicellular scaling rate will be fair when using Custom Difficulty Settings?

Rathalos:
We also have the modifier available that we’re applying to cells for the specialization bonus, so another option would be to have the size and specialization effects directly counteract each other.

This also sounds like a good idea, and I can immediately see something similar to this being maybe implemented back in Microbe.

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@AnthropocenianAge

Deus:
It should scale with difficulty if possible, unless other osmoregulation-related costs are good enough to cover this.

• At Easy difficulty, this cost will be present and will limit rapid progression, but won’t necessarily make specialization and cell-adjacency absolutely determinant for success.
• At Normal difficulty, adjacency and specialization become very important for properly balancing, especially towards the later part of the stage.
• At Hard difficulty, adjacency and specialization are crucial from day one in the Multicellular Stage.

ngl this kind of sounds like the “harder = realisticier” again

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Maybe a SA/Volume ratio mechanic would be better, depending on how it is impelmented?

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

I don’t think this is really planned atm, only an optional thing

[Rathalos]

@AnthropocenianAge

Maybe a SA/Volume ratio mechanic would be better, depending on how it is impelmented?

The problem with SA/V as the primary size problem is:

Can you tell me that the below algae is having surface area problems?

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

This is probably why sa/v has really been moved back to the optional stash of features to be worked on
(+ Other reasons)