Human role in Thrive

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Right, whole five years ago…

[willow (they/her or yours are was/were)]

Actually it’d take a lot more than 100C, especially since life can use sulfuric acid as a solvent, and that boils at 337°C, so life could come back to the whole planet from the sulfuric acid pools after it’s all been heated to 100°C

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Would such life be able to last long-term tho?

[Deathwake (i nuked zenzone and will never let him forget it)]

Yes. The problem isn’t long-term, it’s short term. If you can make it through the immediate chaos, you’re fine. Hydrothermal vent ecosystems could take just about anything. The rest of us rely on huge complex ecosystems to keep us going, and if those collapse, we might not make it.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

What do you think most people would do to humans in Thrive?

• Help them
• Damage/Destroy them
• Something else

[tabat (hhyyrylainen cultist. Waiting for ping from someone.)]

@aah31415

What do you think most people would do to humans in Thrive?

Humans will not be in vanillla Thrive most likely.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

I guess someone could code them in like the sol system easteregg in spore… By the time we reach space stage development the dev team should be far larger than now.

[domin2ktr]

No known organism on Earth uses sulfuric acid as a solvent, and many complex biological molecules (such as DNA) decompose at 150°C. The most tremophilic organism yet discovered is “strain 121”, which can survive at 121°C and reproduce at 110°C. Overall, the theoretical limit for terrestrial organisms is ~140°C.

It is possible that silicon life can survive at high temperatures with a solvent of sulfuric acid, but that is a separate conversation.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

I wonder how many players would try to make a human-like sapient on their first run…

[willow (they/her or yours are was/were)]

Isn’t there life in the prismatic acid pools around Yellowstone???

[Deathwake (i nuked zenzone and will never let him forget it)]

“Use as solvent” =/= “Can survive around.”

This goes both ways actually, domin2ktr’s point doesn’t disprove that life could survive after boiling the earth (While I think boiling acid pools won’t help, the clouds could end up being full of droplets of a mildly toxic, comfortably warm, future acid rain.) and willow’s most recent post proves very little (Life can indeed go to 100 degrees C, but not eucaryotes if you like those).

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

That’s what I asked about those acid microbes at first, if they could survive for longer periods.

Now which eukaryote can survive the highest temperatures?

[Deathwake (i nuked zenzone and will never let him forget it)]

Dunno which ones but it’s no higher than 60-smth C. Of course if you don’t need to live there, just survive for a bit, tardigrades can handle in the range of 150 C, which is really high until you remember they can’t do anything in desiccated form.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Should Thrive have an equivalent to the “Oh, humanity!” achievement from Spore if Earth is ever to be added as an easteregg?

[domin2ktr]

I think that instead of adding earth to thrive, it would be better to make the galaxy in the space stage able to have lost human colonies. It is easier to do, and the action of the game thrive takes place in another galaxy, which would make the appearance of the solar system strange.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

I mean, isn’t Spore also supposed to take part in a different galaxy?

[Deathwake (i nuked zenzone and will never let him forget it)]

If humans are in a different galaxy we could have them as an easter egg if you max out telescope technology. A fun message about the Milky Way beige bipeds or something. Or due to light speed limits, say you can just barely image this planet in the milky way, and it’s about 70 million light years away, and show the only recognizable life form, a blurry dinosaur. Or, that being very far away, show a mammoth.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

@Deathwake

Or, that being very far away, show a mammoth.

That would require the player galaxy to be in the local group…

[Deus (The Alpha and the Omega)]

In my head, a main theme of Thrive is how expansive and unbound to Earth life is. Thrive takes the presence of life on other planets for granted, and the interplanetary stages especially assume that the galaxy is teeming with life. In other words - Thrive states that we’re not special. Life itself is special and extraordinary, but our perspective on Earth is minuscule in comparison to life as a whole.

Putting humans in Thrive kind of works against that in my opinion; in a theoretical galaxy where billions of life forms are worth being represented, why should we draw attention to just one life form?

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Exactly, Earth could just be left somewhere in the galaxy as an easteregg, with no more things stemming from it.