Human role in Thrive

[Deathwake (i nuked zenzone and will never let him forget it)]

Yes. That’s a serious issue, but its not unfixable. Really, don’t go to other galaxies, it’s probably a bad idea.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Guess no probes from humankind then.

I wonder if you’ll be able to select what sort of a galaxy your star appears in…

[willow (they/her or yours are was/were)]

Ah, so orion drives on ships that use reactive armor then?

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Are we sure a layer of active armour would be enough to make a ship survive an intergalactic trek?

[willow (they/her or yours are was/were)]

To ensure it does? Definitely not. it’d make it a lot more likely though, yes, and any probes humans send to explore other galaxies will probably be von Neumann probes, since otherwise we’d have to risk lots of resources and work, as well as time since sending one at a time takes a lot longer than sending a few hundred million to each galaxy, since a few hundred million ensures the survival of at least one, meanwhile one at a time takes waiting to see if the old probe died to send a new one

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Why would we send those probes so far?

[Deathwake (i nuked zenzone and will never let him forget it)]

@willow

Ah, so orion drives on ships that use reactive armor then?

Nah that’s complete underkill. The math I referenced implied 100% efficient drives, so antimatter (or bottled light, both over a dozen times more efficient than a hydrogen bomb) and stated gigatons of fuel per kilo of payload, and armor really just weighs too much for that. If you are willing to coast at top speed for a few millennia, you could use a design like that, but waiting a few millennia with nothing but reactive armor is a horrible idea.

@willow

probably be von Neumann probes

oh yeah 1 trillion percent.

@aah31415

Why would we send those probes so far?

Why wouldn’t we? Think about the scale of a civilization with a dyson sphere. Maybe making ships with gigatons of antimatter using the math I did here would be completely unhinged, but if you colonize the galaxy it stops being crazy, and if you get even a bit more efficient at making antimatter it starts becoming sane. There’s only a half dozen galaxies worth going to, send each one a few ships a century, and you now have colonized every galaxy in range to do anything.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Could it be possible to send probes beyond the local group?

[Deathwake (i nuked zenzone and will never let him forget it)]

Barely/not really. Local group we could maybe get something out of, in theory, but it’s a bad idea. Local supercluster, hell no, you don’t get too. We might have enough time to get like one probe through to the other end of the Laniakea Supercluster - Wikipedia but that will inevitably be pulled apart so I don’t think that’s a good idea. Outside of that is literally impossible.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

That’d mean that if Thrive was to add human eastereggs, it would signify that the player’s galaxy is in this supercluster.

[willow (they/her or yours are was/were)]

For sending probes to other superclusters, we’d be able to have them send back very limited data that’s only slightly less limited if you give it quantum communication modules, since those would only be able to send a specific amount of data, rather than to send it for a limited time

But the better option is putting something that grows people on the probes

That way even after we lose the possibility of contact with them, they’d be a civilization that has our tech and is advancing

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

How far could such probes go outside a supercluster?

[Deathwake (i nuked zenzone and will never let him forget it)]

@willow

For sending probes to other superclusters, we’d be able to have them send back very limited data that’s only slightly less limited if you give it quantum communication modules, since those would only be able to send a specific amount of data, rather than to send it for a limited time

I consider FTL signaling sci-fi nonsense.

@willow

But the better option is putting something that grows people on the probes

Oh 100%, of course.

@aah31415

How far could such probes go outside a supercluster?

However far they want within their new cluster, because the time taken to get there means all the local clusters will be permanently separated. So, not outside of their destination cluster.

[hhyyrylainen]

@Deathwake

I consider FTL signaling sci-fi nonsense.

Thank you for pointing this out. I saw that and raised an eyebrow but didn’t point it out as this isn’t in the Science! category.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Could they go as far as to a cluster on the edge of the Universe if that was their destination?

[Deathwake (i nuked zenzone and will never let him forget it)]

@hhyyrylainen

Thank you for pointing this out. I saw that and raised an eyebrow but didn’t point it out as this isn’t in the Science! category.

I mean if we were talking thrive, I wouldn’t protest, but our conversation is wildly off topic (if there’s an intergalactic colonization thread i wouldn’t mind being moved there) and seems to be using irl physics.

@aah31415

Could they go as far as to a cluster on the edge of the Universe if that was their destination?

No. The edge of the observable universe is accelerating too fast to get there before that acceleration surpasses light speed. Additionally, we have no guarantee of how much space there is that’s already that far out (i.e. the unobservable universe) and it could be that it just never ends, but even if the universe is as small as possible, no, you can’t get the the edge.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

So I guess there still could be a chance of you finding some sort of an ancient human probe in your galaxy in Thrive…