Ideas for the Macroscopic Stage [Put your ideas in this thread]

Mineral skeletons evolved in the Ediacran.

Wikipedia says its sessile. It may be a filter feeder, with no neurons.

There are four reasons to have mineralisation

  1. Macroscopic predator prey relationships began (cambrian/aware), you need an exoskeleton to not get eaten by anomalicaris
  2. You want to grow tall, or defend yourself from microbes. It may be structural support. (macroscopic/corals)
  3. You produce it as a side effect of your metabolism (microbial mats, pyritic shales, cell stage)
  4. Its your cell wall (cell stage)

Cell walls are handled in the cell editor. How would it be handled in the multicellular editor? Your cell wall becomes your skeleton type? We didn’t had calcium cell walls. You need to lose your cell walls to use muscles and not be like plants. It should be added in the late macroscopic or early aware editor. They use the same editor, right? It might have been used throughout macroscopic stage. And also,

If you don’t have a skeleton, you would be squishy anyway. Worms are squishy. Snails are squishy. Ants have a chitin exoskeleton. Chitin and cellulose are made from glucose and proteins, they don’t need minerals. If microbes are squishy anyway, why remove the squishyness when there is lots of them? It should go away if (1) you have cell walls, (2) the cells in the outer part of your body aren’t squishy, because they’re skeleton or muscle.

why manually connect the different tissues? You only need to design the organs. A bigger liver is better at breaking down toxins, a bigger lung stores more air when you’re diving and provides you more oxygen when you’re running, a bigger brain makes you throw stones more accurately and allows you to have more friends at the same time. More blood vessels doesn’t make anything better. Every tissue would be connected by blood vessels and (in aware) by nerves. Placing them would be tedious and repetetive. You can place a liver for the first time. You can’t place a blood vessel for the first time. Every tissue would need to have come pre packaged with that.

Is this submerged trees or some sort of liquid tree slimes hanging from another tree?

Our ancestors had a central nervous cord going through their backs. The ancestor of octopods had a nerve cord going through their bellies. Their nerves had to start at the top, and go to the bottom, which is why, it split into two, and merged again. Octopuses have their mouths going through their brains.

Its not that they don’t want to have a central brains. But it ended up being a torus, which is why it isn’t much centralised.

Octopuses also have eyes that have nerves connected to the back of their eye cells. Our eyes have nerves connected to the front :person_facepalming:of the eye cells. Which block visibility. We have a blind spot where the nerve density is high when they all come together. So you can have sub optimalities because of your evolutionary history. Octopuses had one and we have another.

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To be fair with enough “evolution effort” you can overcome these limiting factors. A falcon still probably has a better sight than an octopus even if it has a suboptimal nerve placement structure.

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Corumbella! I love these things, along with Cloudina! Go Ediacarans!

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Seaweed. Forest of Kelp.

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I wonder if, on other planets, more tree-like underwater plants could evolve…

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what does the article say? isn’t there an alternative website that uses ads?

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Oh right, as the quoted article is hidden behind a paywall…

Will there be basal body plan fixation in the game? By this I mean that after a certain point in evolution certain features of the body plan become fixed and can no longer be removed or significantly changed, e.g. all chordates have a notochord/spine, a through gut, all arthropods have an exoskeleton and a segmented body, etc.

How much will the added parts be modifiable in the editor? Will they be fixed like in spore or will they be incredibly flexible and editable?

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My best guess is that the longer something’s around, the harder it gets to be removed.

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I finally found an article that was not paywalled.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-13882-z

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How long did the search for this non-paywalled article take?

Quite a while, depending on the search engine and key words used. Sometimes, Google results are useless because of the wrong key words.

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Did it take you like an hour?

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At least. Some versions of the article were not paywalled, but you had to sign-in through your prior subscription of the particular website, or through your institution. Neither of those options were doable for me.

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And there could very well exist articles which are only present to their full extent behind a paywall…

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At the very least, there are pre-prints of articles that can be read for free.

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Oh I see. Let’s hope it’ll stay that way

I wonder how quickly will negative metaballs be added when the development shifts to macroscopic…

hwoa, that is a hell of an article. I should read it in detail some time, it seems real useful for thrive stuff.

Fun thing about (academic) articles, unless it’s like, a military secret, the authors are permitted to give you the ufll text. if you email them, you can probably get anything you want. If they’re nice and you don’t sound crazy trying to explain your plan to smeltle le meltle

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Oh I see. It just takes a bit more effort and time to get to those articles…

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Is it possible to make translucent organisms, like the some members of Channichthyidae - Wikipedia

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