Ideas for the Macroscopic Stage [Put your ideas in this thread]

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

It certainly will be possible if your organism doesn’t have any organs that’d obstruct the light

[AnthropocenianAge (AnthropocenianAge Arthropleura wants to give you a hug!)]

I hope translucent organisms do not lag the game. I recall that there was a Minecraft Mod where you could generate dimensions made entirely of glass; also, someone made a texture pack where everything is made of glass. Both can lag Minecraft like crazy due to having the physics engine compute all the objects visible through translucent objects.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Well, those should be just some organisms and not elements of the terrain, so the strain will probably not be quite as noticable…

[Deathwake (i nuked zenzone and will never let him forget it)]

Not the physics engine, the rendering engine. With a rendering engine optimized for it, heacy usage transparency isn’t undoable, but the main reason minecraft doesn’t lag constantly is because block can cover each other up so you don’t have to render all of them. .

[hhyyrylainen]

TBH it sounds like a bit of a rendering nightmare to support transparent creatures as they need a completely different rendering approach than creatures with opaque skin. (and we still have not found an experienced graphics programmer to help out with the game, who would program such a thing)

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

@hhyyrylainen

(and we still have not found an experienced graphics programmer to help out with the game, who would program such a thing)

You mean they’d be required to program only the transparent/opaque stuff or more things to do with how the macroscopics are planned to render?

[woejoe]

Minecraft has a very poorly made LOD engine. And when I say poorly made LOD engine I mean that there is absolutely no LOD engine in the game. For instance, every chunk and block that you see renders in full detail. ALWAYS. It’s outrageous for a AAA game like minecraft. But the developers will rather add “le hecking new blockerinos and wholesome frogs” than fix the core issues with the most sold game in the world. Nonsence.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

I am sure if they decided to work on it, many people would be upset that the next update is too small in proper gameplay content (like as if people aren’t upset about that all the time nowadays)…

[woejoe]

Well minecraft players are always upset. But that’s not the point — recently Mojang changed the running speed of a player, a core mechanic about which noone complained about. I guess that the developers just add whatever belgium they have in mind right now to imitate the working process or just repaint a few decorative blocks and call it a “the Skibidi Update” or whatever. I could go on a rant how modern minecraft is just utter raisin but it’s pretty off-topic.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

@woejoe

recently Mojang changed the running speed of a player, a core mechanic about which noone complained about.

They pushed the change back due to community backlash

[hhyyrylainen]

Optimally both, but transparency handling is way more complicated than “normal” rendering. So I think I can get through the normal stuff, but I’m less confident how effectively (in terms of programming time of just trying random stuff) I could get transparency done. So while over the years I’ve done quite a bit of graphics programming and gotten pretty good at the basics, but a real talented graphics programmer can do magic in comparison to me.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

I guess so. Let’s hope such a person will arrive before work on macroscopic really takes off…

[Deathwake (i nuked zenzone and will never let him forget it)]

What I’m hearing is I need to keep practicing my graphics programming and not switch to unity for the better compute shader support and larger community… understood.

@woejoe

Minecraft has a very poorly made LOD engine. And when I say poorly made LOD engine I mean that there is absolutely no LOD engine in the game. For instance, every chunk and block that you see renders in full detail.

Honestly it makes total sense from a 2011-2014 perspective, where render distance was low, and the meshing stuff was comparatively genius at the time.

@woejoe

It’s outrageous for a AAA game like minecraft.

Minecraft was indie. And when it got big, welll… AAA games aren’t exactly famous for successfully fixing core engine issues when they have a money printer, they mostly just try to use to to print money.

@woejoe

the Skibidi Update

Actually it was the Hello Kitty update

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Maybe we should come back to the macroscopic stuff?
Evolving neurons should only be possible if your organism has a non-walled membrane celltype, right?

[Deathwake (i nuked zenzone and will never let him forget it)]

Yes, but there are other viable thinking methods. We only observe neurons bc they’re much, much faster than, for example, Mycelium.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

What is the slowest a viable brain could get before it’s suboptimal to have such an organ?

[Deathwake (i nuked zenzone and will never let him forget it)]

Maybe an order of magnitude slower than us, but still, that kinda brain has no usable reaction time.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

And I’d imagine it’d struggle against faster, regular-neuron competitors…

[AnthropocenianAge (AnthropocenianAge Arthropleura wants to give you a hug!)]

I found an interesting article summarizing organisms without brains and their capacity for behaviors and learning.

Organisms without brains can learn, too – so what does it mean to be a...

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

It’s been known for a while thanks to the slime molds out there…