Ideas for the Macroscopic Stage [Put your ideas in this thread]

[Croco (''Im a crocodile baby!'' -Crocodile from Mokey's show. Yeah you get it.)]

Not sure if this is more aware or multicellular but whatever so uh i have quite a bit of questions/ideas.

How will players be born/reproduce?
Will they hatch on a premade egg that is the same on all species similar to spore, or
will the player be able to edit if a species lays eggs, gives live birth, or is born through parasitic larvae.

Now if you chose to lay eggs, would there be some sort of egg editor? or just some sliders dictating temperature
resistance etc.

And if you choose for like live birth, will the player just magically appear next to it’s parent, without a need for an organ, or will the player have to design an organ where the baby would grow in.

Now if the player where to choose parasitic larvae (technically it’s just laying eggs in a poor alien but whatever) will the player just appear next to a dead alien or will they physically eat the alien while their a larvae. (realistically it’s probably just appearing next to the dead alien but whatever)

This brings me to my next question, will there be growth or something like that?
I think i saw some other person discussing this but whatever.

So will the player hatch and just magically grow into an adult like in spore, or will there be some sort of growth system?

Where as i think one person said, you design each growth stage and you gradually transition between the stages, and if there will be a growth stage, how long will it take too grow?

I assume it’d be like a couple of minutes or less so it’s fun and entertaining, but on some harder difficulties or on custom settings it could be higher, or maybe it could depend on the size of your creature, but i assume it’d be like a couple of minutes or less cuz nobody is gonna wanna have to wait an hour to grow to an adult.

Now i also do wonder if like the player would just walk up to their mate to evolve, or would have to fight for their mate, but i guess you just walk up to them, or reproduce on your own depending on your species.

And another question is, how will behaviours work in like macroscopic or aware once your creature becomes more sofisticated, will it be like in the microbe stage where you just move some sliders around, or will it be a bit more like in The Sapling, where you add behaviours like ‘‘if you see color green, go towards it’’ or will it be more complex with some simple visual coding like in Scratch, or will you be able to switch between these behaviour editors if you want too. Although realistically i think it’d be sliders or just something akin to the sapling.

And one final question, i wonder if it’ll be possible to make an animal that feeds on just iron chunks, or just absorbs the temperature in the volcanic vents or is a radiotroph (yk since they’re adding radiotrophs in 0.8.1)

[Poodelicus (Crazy, Curious, and Stubborn)]

@Croco

How will players be born/reproduce?

I believe it is the devs intent to have multiple forms of both asexual and sexual reproduction, but, for efficiency reasons, I’m guessing most creatures will likely end up evolving to either lay/implant eggs or have live births.

@Croco

would there be some sort of egg editor?

I certainly hope so, I guess we will see.

@Croco

will there be growth or something like that?

There will likely be stages of growth, as part of the Caste System, though the specific are still very much up for debate/design.

Metamorphosis and Ontogenesis

Since these topics include quite a few important questions about the design of the Multicellular and especially the Aware Stage, I figured it would be best to open a new thread to discuss this here, since the last discussion of this matter didn’t cover everything I had in mind. As we all know, metamorphosis describes a drastic change in the anatomy and occupied niche of an animal during the transition from larval to adult form in the life cycle of an animal. This is of course a fascinating aspe…

@Croco

wonder if like the player would just walk up to their mate to evolve, or would have to fight for their mate

There are multiple discussions about the possibility of including competing for a mate and/or mating rituals.

Making a Line For What Content Not to Include

Ok I will admit that I am a prude but I think that if we haven’t already we should establish a line of what we can put into this game without being graphic. Personally I think the game should max out with a rating of T. I will include more M rated concepts below I think we should avoid. Intense Blood and Gore. I personally think that a hard T level of blood should be enough for what Thrive is going too do. I don’t know much about game development but in order to add in massive blood splash an…

Intraspecific competition

When will intraspecific competition be implemented? As far as I know, cannibalism between adult members of a species is generally rare, but they’ll often compete for resources without hunting each other. See: all the mating-related violence animals get up to. There’s no real reason why the player’s microbes can’t stab each other, it’s just a gameplay thing. So, what sorts of intraspecific competition are reasonable, and when will they begin to be added? When do I get to stab myself for food?

@Croco

i wonder if it’ll be possible to make an animal that feeds on just iron chunks

The main problem with this, Iron eating becomes less efficient when oxygen is present. In an anoxygenic environment, iron eating would likely be the most efficient way to survive. In a world filled with oxygen, not sure how well it can sustain you. Though you can bet I will try to make one work anyway.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

@Croco

assume it’d be like a couple of minutes or less so it’s fun and entertaining, but on some harder difficulties or on custom settings it could be higher, or maybe it could depend on the size of your creature, but i assume it’d be like a couple of minutes or less cuz nobody is gonna wanna have to wait an hour to grow to an adult.

I think the plan regarding this is that in the upcoming stages, it’ll take a bit longer to complete a gameplay session than on average in the microbe stage.

[Croco (''Im a crocodile baby!'' -Crocodile from Mokey's show. Yeah you get it.)]

Alr well thx for the answers, anyways i got some more questions not sure if they’d go in aware or macroscopic but since macroscopic seems more active i’ll put it here.

How will flight work in this game?
I assume there will be some sort of flight system so how would it work? Would it be simple where you just strap some wings onto your creature and it can fly (regardless of weight or proportion of the wings).
Or will you have to design the wings realistically, making sure they’re big enough for the weight of your creature or that they can flap fast enough whilst also making sure flapping dosen’t break your creature’s muscles.

I also wonder how flight would work in gas giants, i guess you could float by making air sacs in your creatue that fill with air to float in the gas giant’s clouds.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

@Croco

I assume there will be some sort of flight system so how would it work? Would it be simple where you just strap some wings onto your creature and it can fly (regardless of weight or proportion of the wings).
Or will you have to design the wings realistically, making sure they’re big enough for the weight of your creature or that they can flap fast enough whilst also making sure flapping dosen’t break your creature’s muscles.

Definitely the latter option. Afterall, Thrive adheres to the scientific theory.

@Croco

I also wonder how flight would work in gas giants, i guess you could float by making air sacs in your creatue that fill with air to float in the gas giant’s clouds.

To my knowledge gas giants aren’t planned to be a location where life can develop ingame.

[Croco (''Im a crocodile baby!'' -Crocodile from Mokey's show. Yeah you get it.)]

@aah31415

To my knowledge gas giants aren’t planned to be a location where life can develop ingame.

Oh, i swear i’ve seen people discuss it before somewhere

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Not the devs most likely through.

[AnthropocenianAge (AnthropocenianAge Arthropleura wants to give you a hug!)]

Are you talking about the forum game Survival in Jupiter’s Atmoshpere?

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FG advertisements are back, even if just for one post…

[Croco (''Im a crocodile baby!'' -Crocodile from Mokey's show. Yeah you get it.)]

no, not really i was mostly refering to how i could’ve sworn somewhere, gameplay in gas giants was discussed, but it’s probably just a mandela effect

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

No matter what was said back then, gas giant life isn’t planned anytime soon, even if some developer was discussing it.

[Poodelicus (Crazy, Curious, and Stubborn)]

Perhaps you are thinking of talk about living on the moon of a gas giant?

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

I’d rather think of gameplay on the gas giant itself, as their moons would have gameplay rather similar to regular Earthlike planets. The gas giant atmospheres are the point of interest, and they have seen some speculation as to what could be lurking withing them for quite some time…

[Croco (''Im a crocodile baby!'' -Crocodile from Mokey's show. Yeah you get it.)]

no, i was thinking on living on the gas giant, not on it’s moon.

[AnthropocenianAge (AnthropocenianAge Arthropleura wants to give you a hug!)]

Unless the moon of a Gas Giant is a mini-Neptune Gas Planet…

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

And then that mini-Neptune has a gas-dwarf as a moonlet!

[AnthropocenianAge (AnthropocenianAge Arthropleura wants to give you a hug!)]

Unfortunately, gas dwarfs planet would not be possible, as once you get over 1-2 Earth Masses, there is a possibility of it being a Mini-Neptune due to the excessive amount of gas enveloping the surface compared to the rock.

[Croco (''Im a crocodile baby!'' -Crocodile from Mokey's show. Yeah you get it.)]

@AnthropocenianAge

Unless the moon of a Gas Giant is a mini-Neptune Gas Planet…

yeah like this cute little gas giant

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Is that a SpaceEngine Planet-Moon system?

[Croco (''Im a crocodile baby!'' -Crocodile from Mokey's show. Yeah you get it.)]

Yeah it’s from SpaceEngine, found a Warm minineptune that orbits Warm superjupiter.