Some days ago I found duplicated issues too, but i forgot which ones, i think its about ATP balance bar tooltips
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Why not just making the map 3D? It would be a lot easier to visualize and discuss upon it. Sure, itâs probably not easy to implement, but I think that both players and theorists would be relieved if it were 3D instead of being 2D.
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*double post
I remember that in previous versions (0.3.4 and earlier), symbiosis could be a thing because cells could release compounds into the environment (e.g. glucose & oxygen). Will that compound feature be implemented again?
Well I donât see thrive with a manual ability of releasing compounds, if thatâs what you are saying, but i think that it would work automatically when you have the required features already evolved; like binding agents, or a symbiotic pilus? So I think that you would automatically give a sustainable amount of each compound the other cell needs and end, they all lived in peace.
(I also wasnt a thrivist at the time of 0.3.4, I just played the game and watched somethings in the internets about it to know whats popping, but mainly in early 2019)
It was already automatic in earlier versions and you wouldnât need binding agents and pili to do that.
If you had been on the community discord, youâd have seen a couple of cases where big cells can make so much glucose that they end up starting to emit it.
I think its better to have a specific feature evolved already that guarantees the compounds being shared only between the two âfriendâ cells in case, not for a predator or just a cheater cell. I havenât seen anything about cells releasing free compounds without any specific structure in the environment in my life.
You mean in the current version?
Maybe not in 0.5.1.1 but definitely after 0.5.0 someone posted a screenshot where they had spewed a ton of glucose everywhere.
If it were a glitch, I think it should be a thing because it allows indirectly for symbiosis.
So
Is @blackjacksike saying that symbiosis could be done without any structure, just by releasing free compounds in the environment? If he is,
If not, could he explain it to me?
Also I think it was I who posted the screenshot of the bug of releasing compounds
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Because thatâs how it works in nature. Cells have protein pumps and a membrane to exchange compounds with the environment. We shouldnât need a specific structure for symbiosis because symbiosis is the relationship between different species.
If another cell is releasing glucose, then another one will stick to it to get the glucose.
Without those pumps and membranes, it would be impossible for the cell to regulate its metabolism resulting in death.
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I always thought they would need to clump together in order to share compounds. I havent seen anything in my life of they just shooting free nutrients that could be ate by any cell who passes close.
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No, if a cell releases a compound, then they donât need to share it with other cells. The other cells will simply go to the compound cloud and get it.
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Releasing compounds in the environment is less effective than clumping together, which also guarantees the compounds dont run away or get stolen by other cells. Isnt it how it works in nature?
Colonies are made by? CLUMPING! They are not some bacteria releasing some compounds in the environment which could be stolen or run away, and also take some more time.
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It can work both ways, but the point of clumping or binding is to create a multicellular colony, which isnât symbiosis (actually it is but only for the same species so I donât consider it).
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Iâve seen microbes who could clump with cells which arenât of the same species. But I got it anyways
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Itâs because clumping together would trigger the second stage. What I mean by âsymbiosisâ is only for this stage.
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And how it could work both ways if the non-clumping method shouldnât be as effective as the clumping one?
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I should have said âeither wayâ instead. I donât know how I can explain my point in a more simple way anymore.
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