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just use dark energy behind you and dark matter in front of you

You just switched to using different words, but didn’t explain how that would help at all.

I’m all for scifi stuff like FTL in Thrive, but when discussing non-scifi topics, actual evidence based on known physics needs to be presented.

What about this: When we unlock non lawk, it also unlocks sci fi and ftl.
If there is no ftl, we build ascension gate after making a dyson swarm, not much expansion into other solar systems needed.
If there is ftl, we build ascension gate after colonising many solar systems, but a dyson swarm isn’t needed.

gather the energy responsible for the expansion of the universe and make a wall of it behind your ship and gather the matter theoretically responsible for holding the universe together and make a wall of that in front of your ship

How? How does any of that use any known or theoretical physics? You didn’t address my point at all.

dark energy expands space and assuming dark matter contracts it you could use it to not mess up a galaxy/galaxy cluster by warping through it

What are your sources on those claims?

Negative energy doesn’t violate the laws of physics, it just violates the energy condition, and leads to stuff like faster than light movement(like the expansion of space) and time travel into the past.

If there is ftl(and I think there should be), we should come up with an excuse why it also doesn’t allow time travel(and grandfather paradoxes)

dark energy doesn’t push us you back in time it just expands space and that’s pretty much all i know about it and @hhyyrylainen here is a source that explains how dark energy works Dark Energy, Dark Matter | Science Mission Directorate

Have you read your own source? It doesn’t say that it is possible to collect it or any known or theoretically feasible way to use it for anything. Here’s a really good quote from the page:

More is unknown than is known. We know how much dark energy there is because we know how it affects the universe’s expansion. Other than that, it is a complete mystery.

i said we barely know anything about dark energy

Which is exactly why you cannot use it to support your opinion.

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in your quote from the article it says We know how much dark energy there is because we know how it affects the universe’s expansion. and if one were to compress it it would likely have the same properties per amount in a smaller space what i was talking about is called an expansion drive if i remember correctly which is based almost purely on theoretical physics but yes Other than that, it is a complete mystery.

even using what little we know about it assuming it works similar to regular energy that being the ability to be compressed and have the same force per unit of energy you could, given the necessary tech and materials, make an expansion drive

Prove that that is possible.

It can’t necessarily be compressed. See for example how waste heat increases entropy permanently, using up all the energy available will make it permanently be stuck in a form that cannot be used anymore. So can you say why the dark energy wouldn’t act like waste heat?

This is exactly why I hate debating on the forums because people just keep bringing up poorly researched points that hold up to 0 seconds of scrutiny. And then when someone points that out, they move to the next poorly backed up point.

i said it is based almost exclusively on theoretical physics as we would need to find out how to compress dark energy to know how it would react also if i am understanding you correctly why are you asking me to prove it is possible when we can’t even run an accurate simulation based on it due to it having practically nothing other than it makes space get bigger

Dark energy is already the domain of mathematical modelling and pretty theoretical physics. What indication do you see with the existing knowledge that compressing it would be possible at all?

So finally you admit that you have no evidence for your claim (no evidence that dark energy would have some property allowing it to be compressed)? You just took some area we don’t know everything about and put a random idea in there that might explain a crazy idea you had. I’ve ran out of sanity and will not be replying anymore on this topic.

if you are going to quote something i don’t recommend removing the context

Ftl travel causes you to go back in time.

But when the universe expands faster than light, things only move away from each other and you don’t come across your grandfather, whatever your ages might be.

[1]Particles and asteroids made from dark energy?


  1. I just mistaked dark energy and dark matter ↩︎

Even if we were to somehow create an Alcubierre drive by creating something with negative mass (if you’re able to even get that matter into the shape and location you need), Alcubierre drives still suck since they can’t really be steered or stopped. That might make them useful as superweapons, but they’re useless for transport (unless you somehow know how to flip gravity on and off)

the video doesn’t specify an Alcubierre drive and i know that which is why my idea for an unstoppable planet destroyer class missile is just a lead casket around an alcubierre drive in a uranium missile shell lined with lead and as soon as you turn it on it yeets itself directly forwards at speeds so fast it could hit you before you launched it if space was a spherical plane