THE NEW Miscellaneous Talk That Doesn't Deserve A New Thread Thread Thread (Part 2)

[StrategyGameR (Your friendly neighborhood menace to society.)]

@blackjacksike

I would rather reactivate Mars’ core as well as all its volcanoes, which should create a planetary magnetic field to protect water particles that come out of volcanoes.

@willow

if you wanna nuke mars back into a habitable planet, dig to the center of the core

So I did the probably wrong math again and got that using the same amount of nukes and percentages you could heat 0.0000000001 of the core to what my very general estimate of the amount of heat is needed to cause a magnetic field which is heating the 2500 Fahrenheit core to 5000 degrees. Nukes are super powerful but mars is insanely big.

This reminds me of the Star Wars scene where they fire torpedoes into the core of the Death Star and it explodes, but in this case it would be like a slightly toastier core

[willow (they/her or yours are was/were)]

so, how many terratonnes of nuke would you need to melt mars into habitability then?

[zenzonegaming (Steve Buscemi Fish Clown Detective Cult Leader)]

Whenever terraforming is brought up everyone always assumes that the magnetosphere would have to come from the planet’s core being activated, but no one ever seems to consider people just building a system of machines across the planet to generate an artificial one.

It would be hard, sure, but certainly easier than melting the inside of an entire planet without also annihilating the surface.

[fralegend015 (Shroudmaster)]

You wouldn’t even need to make a system around the entire planet, the magnetic field would only need to cover the mid point between the planet and the star, so you could build it in an orbit that allows it to do that.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

We’re slowly getting there, 2 remaining…

Should we analyze the combat abilities of Disturbance and Romp to figure out how a fight to death between the two would go like?

[doomlightning (The Invisible Aztec Dodo Overgod of Thrive and everything else. Semi-professor of botany and avid plant abuser.)]

Acordito to the poll:

we have already 17 (ignore duplicates, 9 vote its a lie.)

So reave that

[StrategyGameR (Your friendly neighborhood menace to society.)]

I got 120,000,000,000 nukes for the core and 8,400,000,000 nukes for the poles.

[C009 (Least favourite developer)]

And your place on FBI watchlist (joke)

[Deathwake (i nuked zenzone and will never let him forget it)]

@aah31415

re artificial worlds (like a ring-world) really that much better than planets suitable for terraformation?

Honestly, yeah they are better.

@aah31415

They may be hit by micrometeorites

You ever notice the ISS, which has the shielding and advanced technology of a car you inherit from your parents, has been doing alright? You can put your fuel and water and reserve air outside of your habitat in huge layers if you feel like micrometeorites are an issue, but it might work without them. Are huge glass windows a good idea? maybe, but I don’t see why you’d put them on the floor, then your spin gravity could pump air out if it ever broke. You could use mirrors to bounce a large amount of light through a smaller hole, and outside the hole there could in fact be armor, you bounce light, you can’t bounce micrometeorites, exploit that. Also, it’s space, weight is a non issue unless you have to haul it up a big gravity well. There’s no armor limit.

@aah31415

They may need extra structures to be completely safe, like solar wind and UV ray blockers

Ehh, planets usually need some form of those too. Unless your plan is to pump so much oxygen into the atmosphere you get UV for free (ozone), you get the choice of leaving plants on the surface of a mostly terraformed planet for thousands of years, while you get to sit around waiting, or building some megastructure to do it automatically. And lots of planets lack magnetospheres. Honestly restarting a core sounds ridiculous to me, so unless you really need a planet that’s habitable with ZERO intervention, including robots, it’s a very silly idea. (reason to do it anyways: the most long-lived rocket engines ever designed, are to my knowledge, all powered by a star. Andromeda is 2.5 million light years away. Unless you can accelerate at a G for DECADES, relativity won’t get you there expediently. Play the long game, and put a planet in orbit of the Shkadov thruster or whatever you’re using. Fix it up and make it naturally habitable. then so long as life lasts a few million years, you technically colonized Andromeda. maybe put some people in stasis, release a portion of them every few centuries, and tell them to settle the planet and reproduce, teach their kids the glory of knowing modern tech and the home-world is chill, then put them to sleep. Do the waking up nonsense because humans in stasis might not last forever, I dunno, never been frozen.)

@aah31415

They would cost a lot of resources and time to construct

So would terraforming. If this is a valid criticism of any idea we’d all sit on our hands here on earth and wait until someone got power-hungry enough to make nukes and kill us, or if we’re lazy enough , walk into our homes and take our stuff. If it’s being used as a criticism here but not expected to work on other stuff, I don’t know what logical fallacy that is but it’s weird.

Apologies for how mean that might have sounded I’ve just never gotten terraforming, it sseem extraordinarily wasteful to me.

Now the example you used was a ringworld, Assuming you meant that in the AU-wide, around a star, sense, yeah, don’t do that. Thats dumb af. I don’t see why spinning a thing at relativistic speeds is supposed to make anything easier.

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@StrategyGameR

I got 120,000,000,000 nukes for the core and 8,400,000,000 nukes for the poles.

Instead build a few Project Orions (or Medusa, I’m partial to Medusa) and make a fuel depot that’ll last millennia.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Now, what is the WORST space colonization idea ever proposed?

Also, my pool has now got 10 votes, so I guess I will set up some sort of a “general FG discussion thread” for FG and FG-related stuff discussions.

[C009 (Least favourite developer)]

This week’s update is big

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Oh I see, mucocyst is finally ready for release…
Aswell as sprinting and some panel…

[50gens]

@aah31415

what is the WORST space colonization idea ever proposed?

Let me do it: A ladder to the Moon and beds attached to the ladder for the travellers taking this route to rest

@willow

seeding it with algae designed specifically to live in conditions like those of venus’ survivable portion of its atmosphere, and waiting a couple hundreds of centuries.

alternatively, we could send robots that use an electrotrophic carbon fixing organism

Cells photosynthesising directly would be simpler than using solar panels to convert sunlight into electricity then having the cells convert the electricity into glucose.

If the atmosphere can be seeded with floating bacteria, the next goal should be removing CO₂ from the atmosphere. When the bacteria grow and get heavy, if they sink down, they would burn and CO₂ would go back to the atmosphere. They should be collected and sold as biofuel to the rest of the solar system. If they don’t sink, and simply fill the atmosphere until they can’t replicate anymore, they should be collected so that they can keep multiplying. If they can’t float and need a surface, ballons should be provided and should be scratched as algae grows on it.

Without CO₂ the temperature would drop. But there would still be a lot of sulfur gasses. Not breathable for humans. And could take an impracticly long amount of time.

@aah31415

Anybody else noticed problems with kurzgesagt’s Venus and Mars terraformation videos?

In the Venus one, they use giant space mirrors which would most likely be immedietly destroyed by micro-meteorites and possibly tidal forces.

I assume its not “build and leave it there”, they would be maintained, and have point defense.

Planets can be terraformed, but I guess other than a few very earth like ones, humanity wouldn’t ever attempt to do that.

Why try to add plants and humans to a barren desert rock, when you neither need to have the plants, nor the humans, nor the planets? It is such an old schooled way of looking into things. We live in Earth, so more Earth is better. No it isn’t. The purpose should be to make a dyson swarm as soon as possible. Planets are giant gravity wells that make it unnecessarily hard to get on or off.

Planets would be mined for their rock and their surface would be covered with ecumenopolises. If humans work in there, the buildings would be pressurised. This is way easier than pumping lots of gasses outside to add an atmosphere or reducing the already existing too thick atmosphere. But AI robots may have already replaced us by that point so maybe they wouldn’t pressurise the buildings either.

@Deathwake

Assuming you meant that in the AU-wide, around a star, sense, yeah, don’t do that. Thats dumb af. I don’t see why spinning a thing at relativistic speeds is supposed to make anything easier.

Any terrorist can bomb it and the entire structure would tear off into space in moments, losing its atmosphere and killing the people on their front yards playing golf.

Dysan swarms would be independant, still connected with ropes if desired, and each can have its own gravity depending on how much the inhabitants evolved or edited themselves to like, different atmospheres, cramped 4m³ houses for maximising population or large habitats, whichever their founding fathers, mothers, squid hybrids, etc intended.

@willow

dig to the center of the core, place your nukes and a wire, cover the hole with some kind of cement over the course of a few months, evacuate, then detonate

@Deathwake

The ice would sublimate, then the atmosphere would thin away. If you thickened mars’ atmosphere beforehand it might actually work

Mars’s core would cool once again and it would lose its atmosphere. If the plan is to keep it living for hundreds of millions of years like earth, it would need to be kept in life support.

Unless,

We take Mercury, Moon, and Jupiter and Saturn’s moons and send them to crash into Mars. This would melt the planet, increase its gravity, and reestablish its magnetic field.

How do we do that, you ask?

_{I asked the same thing. Let me think… hmm…}

With gravity assist, of course! Moving rockets in the solar system would be expensive. You can’t just send quadrilions of normal sized rockets that add up to something close to Mercury’s mass in order to move Mercury in a short amount of time. But what if you don’t need to use rockets?

Part 1: Build a supercomputer and calculate the position of every object in the solar system. This may be already possible. The feasibility of this project can be calculated.

Part 2: Use rockets to pull asteroids, use asteroids to move larger asteroids, do this until the whole solar system becomes unstable and even the small planets start to move around, but control the whole process. The AI can calculate the smallest amount of impulse applied to get the largest amount of change in the solar system.

So AI magic can solve everything.

[blackjacksike (𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖒𝖕𝖎𝖔𝖓 𝖔𝖋 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝕯𝖊𝖈𝖐𝖆𝖗𝖉)]

@fralegend015

You wouldn’t even need to make a system around the entire planet, the magnetic field would only need to cover the mid point between the planet and the star, so you could build it in an orbit that allows it to do that.

What if that system gets in collision with a roaming asteroid?

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Will the Valve Deckard be announced this year?

• Yes
• No
• I don’t know

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

How much do you care about that deckard?

[blackjacksike (𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖒𝖕𝖎𝖔𝖓 𝖔𝖋 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝕯𝖊𝖈𝖐𝖆𝖗𝖉)]

So much… so much copium! I NEED THE DECKARD!

[Trappist-1e ("shot for the moon, and if you miss, you get on sun orbit lol")]

My dad works at Gabes Newells and he said that the deckard is going to release very soon, somewhere between tomorrow and the end of the decade.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Deckarb can release anywhen, between RIGHT NOW and HEAT DEATH

[zenzonegaming (Steve Buscemi Fish Clown Detective Cult Leader)]

Was the ladder a real proposal?

Also, to make my position clear on this, I think that every ‘dead’ world in the Sol system could and should be colonized and terraformed. ‘Dead’ worlds being lifeless rocks like the moon or mars. This doesn’t include Venus or Europa and the like as not only is there a very real possibility of both harboring native lifeforms, but they both have very unique environments that would be completely ruined if they were made Earth-like.

And since we’re talking about terraforming, what’s everyone’s opinions on planet-wide government and nations, like in Star Wars? I personally think that they aren’t realistic, and that in the future almost every planet will be divided by at least five or ten nation-states unless the only people to settle the planet in the first place are extremely culturally and ideologically homogenous.

[fralegend015 (Shroudmaster)]

@zenzonegaming

planet-wide government and nations

You don’t need cultural homogenity for a nation to exist, you only need the people to have the same national identity, infact most nations never had cultural homogenity, as different regions of the same nation can have different cultures.