Hehehehe, if that was the issue this thread wouldn’t have even been created, life as we know, is the fundamentals of physics.
Also, update on hydrothermal vent info,
Hydrothermal vents emit sulfur and metals to the ocean 1. Particular attention has been paid to hydrothermal fluxes of iron2,3,4, a limiting micronutrient of marine primary production5. Vent-derived iron was previously thought to rapidly oxidize and precipitate around vents6. May 8, 2011
Hydrothermal vents as a kinetically stable source of iron …
Basically, issue 1 is that the iron would instantly oxidize, unallowing any forging and gathering of such iron. that slightly increases the chance of forging, the problems are gathering and actual shaping, not to mention how you would innovate such a technique.
A quick google search churns out that some hydrothermal vents can reach beyond 673.15 kelvin, [
Graphite is a very good conductor, but we need to brainstorm a way to first generate electricity if we want to use electricity to make heat to smelt metal.
There are electrical cells that can be added to a body, such as crab//crustation this is a fairly simple evolutionary path, but may cut off some things in the future, like sight, because there’s no real need for it. This may solve your problem, for the possibility, but il do some research involving the resistance of Iron, and the possibility of graphene as a conducted for specialized electrical conduits.
more likely, the best option for the current goal of the metal age (Right now), is the possibility that you can fit enough electrical cells onto a living being to smelt iron in the open ocean, ill need to do some lengthy research on that, but it should be possible, id says a 67% chance it might work. I don’t honestly know why we need a way to use this electricity to smelt metal, because it’s rhetorical.
you need metal to make electricity to make metal, there is almost a 0% chance of doing that normally, the most likely option for the route you take is one of using electrical organs and cells, as seen in electrical eels. THough ill get back to you with more “Real data”, ill do the calculations when I have time.
TL:DR - You got it all wrong, but it might work if we turn into eels
At least underwater you don’t need to worry about the wheel being among those. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Deathwake
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yes you do need the wheel. It’s for gears, moving objects on land, moving objects that sink very quickly, for lathes, for pottery wheels, and for many mechanical components that use wheels
UndyingHazard
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Unsure if this has been suggested before but maybe if the aquatic species still needed water to breathe but could essentially hold its “breath” outside of the water for long periods of time, kind of like the real life Epaulette shark which can survive in oxygen poor and or extremely shallow water by temporarily shutting off non-essential functions and increasing blood flow to the brain. I don’t know if that would count as amphibious or not so this suggestion may not count.
Deathwake
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basically you have to be really close to amphibious for that to even kinda work. I honestly think underwater civs will just be stone age, amphibious, or uplifted. Be a fun challenge run though
this has nothing to with the current discussion but the right way to do one of these ¯\ _(ツ)_ /¯ on this forum
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it’s a little squished shrug
Along with the regular emoji variant:
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made by these set’s of character ¯\ \_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)_ /¯for regular and ¯\\_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)_/¯ for the other one
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Theres no actuall way to prove such a thing scientifically/with a paper unless you gather a bunch of scuba divers and try to smelt metal using underwater resources. Its kinda ridiculous.
You are incorrect, all I have to do is find the electrical resistance property of iron, the passive cooling of saltwater, and the amount of electricity needed to get it to its forging temperature. As well as a few other things like its weight deph ect.
You need to prove that some organism is able to do that thing ,
not that enough electricity smelts metal underwater.
with a scientific paper ofc. Remember.
It IS possible to smelt metal underwater given enough energy lol. The real scientific task here is that a species does and proving it in a scientific paper.
Actually thinking better about it, theres no PROOF that metal can be smelted underwater, never seen and never done by anybody.
