Comments on Specific Development Forum Posts

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@AnthropocenianAge

Also, perhaps the minimum cell number should be at least 7 cells in total, since that is the number of cells in Myxozoans ?

I don’t think myxozoans count as macroscopic?

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Aren’t some Volvox eight cells large?

Origins of multicellular complexity: Volvox and the volvocine algae

Maybe the minimum number of cells should be 8 cells?

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Honestly not sure what it should be at this point. But I don’t think every random multicellular-level organism with some small countable x amount of cells can become macroscopic

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Maybe Volvox could be a benchmark organism that should be able to made in Multicellular?

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Wdym “template organism”? Like some precursor to macroscopic autotrophs a player has to reach to reach stage 3?

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I meant a benchmark organism, like how there is a discussion thread for 3d stage benchmark organisms…

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I suppose so, but why would it be called that genus specifically?

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It does not have to be called Volvox; I don’t think any benchmark organism that can be created in Thrive for testing puproses has be named after their real-life counterpart.

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Indeed. Though are you sure we need benchmarks for the multicellulars yet? Might be too simple…

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I wonder if there should be two “sets” of requirements for stages going forward? Like in some of the longer Microbe Stage Achievements, you get a popup of your progress once you get meet half of the minimum requirements?

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@AnthropocenianAge

I wonder if there should be two “sets” of requirements for stages going forward?

That’s already the plan somewhat, it has been proposed that sexual reproduction be mandatory to progress to stage 3

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Do we know if all Ediacaran life had sexual reproduction, since Ediacaran life would be considered Macroscopic by Thrive standards?

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I don’t think we know that, just that they were some kind of a primitive animal like clade thing. Which makes them pretty likely to still have engaged in that.

[Rathalos]

@Poodelicus

Well, wouldn’t that depend on if the AI needed it to become multicellular the way the player does? Multicellularity evolved a bunch of times.

Right now the only requirement is the binding agent itself. And while not ideal, we can have the AI placing them even without an in-game use.

@Poodelicus

It is my understanding it has no functionality at all on or off screen except to help the player change stages. So how will the AI evolve from Single Celled to Multicellular if not through use of the Binding Agent?

Currently, it provides some osmoregulation cost reduction for auto-evo. Because that’s also what you get when in a colony.

@AnthropocenianAge

So even Auto-Evo prefers Predatory Plants?

Yes, it most certainly does.

@AnthropocenianAge

I like the idea of a “minimum complexity” for Multicellular, with a minimum number of different cell types with a minimum amount of adjacency bonus and minimum number of total cells. Would it be better for Auto-Evo if there was at least two different cell types, in additional to the Stem Cell, still making the requirement have three different cell types?

Not sure entirely what you mean here. Hopefully auto-evo will be able to create new cell types whenever that is beneficial.

@AnthropocenianAge

Also, perhaps the minimum cell number should be at least 7 cells in total, since that is the number of cells in Myxozoans ?

I do want to use the full limits of what the Stage can do, so probably more than that.

@AnthropocenianAge

Do we know if all Ediacaran life had sexual reproduction, since Ediacaran life would be considered Macroscopic by Thrive standards?

Sexual reproduction is probably ancestral to all eukaryotic life. So it predates multicellularity. Personally I am not married to the idea of having it as a hard requirement, but we’ll see.

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Maybe getting to macroscopic without sexual repro would be a nonlawk thing?

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@punctdan

Are we supposed to have AIs that advance to the next stage before player?

I believe the idea, at some point, is to have a setting. One for the player is always the first to reach the next stage, one for fierce competition that ends with the player being declared to have lose if the AI beats them to the next stage, and (hopefully) one in between in which the AI reaching the next stage first makes the game much harder, but the player still has a chance to survive, though it would be difficult for them to catch up unless some disaster took out the AI ahead of them.

AI and Time Limit Difficulty Setting

I am putting this in Aware Stage because I know our current Dev team cannot afford to give time to this right now. There has been a lot of discussions under various topics about: Whether or not the AI should be allowed to pass the player or not Whether or not the AI passing the player should automatically be a game over Whether or not the game should have a Time Limit There seems to be a lot of people who favor that realism means time limits and having to keep up with the AI. However, the wi…

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If autoevo is supposed to evolve faster in each next evo stage, would that mean as a microbe the multicellular species would need to have it run multiple times over in the same gameplay round?

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@Rathalos

I do want to use the full limits of what the Stage can do, so probably more than that.

So definitely more than 7 cells, but 20 cells is still too much, right?

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Maybe around 15? Since we still want to necessitate a good level of complexity

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If we want to see what Auto-Evo can do, then should the minimum number of cell types to move onto Macroscopic be at least 5?