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[AnthropocenianAge (𝒜𝓇𝓉𝒽𝓇𝑜𝓅𝓁𝑒𝓊𝓇𝒶 𝓌𝒶𝓃𝓉𝓈 𝓉𝑜 𝑔𝒾𝓋𝑒 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝒶 𝒽𝓊𝑔!)]

@aah31415

cyto-titans

I am going to refer to such cytoplasm organisms as that now.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

I recall I created such cytotitan cells for multicellular if I needed to engulf large chunks. Did you do sth similar?

[AnthropocenianAge (𝒜𝓇𝓉𝒽𝓇𝑜𝓅𝓁𝑒𝓊𝓇𝒶 𝓌𝒶𝓃𝓉𝓈 𝓉𝑜 𝑔𝒾𝓋𝑒 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝒶 𝒽𝓊𝑔!)]

Not yet. It is on my to-do-list for organisms to make in Thrive.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Yoy can do it for either iron or sulphur chunks. Or maybe both if you’re generalist enough

[Rathalos]

@Flagella

I wonder if thrive can add a stage selector like in Spore, where you can choose to start in multicellular or microbe, so that you can play or test Multicellular Stage without needing to play all of Microbe Stage first to get there.

Besides the freebuilds (which are the best tools for just testing a builds), we do have design for starting in later Stages. But this would be more like whole pre-made ecosystems, so like loading a savegame. Not so much like starting in a later stage in Spore, because we have actual connected ecosystems and different environment states.

@AnthropocenianAge

Also, does anyone know how many generations would it take for a random organism to evolve a nucleus, and then Multicellularity, via Auto-Evo?

If we just enabled it, frighteningly fast probably. Sometimes I see species with binding agents in 10-15 generations. Auto-evo does not use unlock conditions right now.

@AnthropocenianAge

Also, it makes me wonder if speedrunners will just rush to the next stage by making organisms with a bunch of Cytoplasms and a Nucleus, since Auto-Evo does create such organisms now.

I mean, this might also be a fairly accurate Thrive-style representation of proto-eukaryotes?

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Would microbes start evolving into multicellulars immediately upon acquiring BA?

[AnthropocenianAge (𝒜𝓇𝓉𝒽𝓇𝑜𝓅𝓁𝑒𝓊𝓇𝒶 𝓌𝒶𝓃𝓉𝓈 𝓉𝑜 𝑔𝒾𝓋𝑒 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝒶 𝒽𝓊𝑔!)]

You mean the Eukaryotes that have already spun off from the Player?

[Rathalos]

@aah31415

Would microbes start evolving into multicellulars immediately upon acquiring BA?

Following the logic of auto-evo so far, yes. But I think it’s likely we will put some limits on this.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

So that there still are BA unicellulars later into the game?

[Rathalos]

No, not so much that, because I think we would implement this as creation of a new species, like the other mutations. Keeping single-celled species around will have more to do with new miches.

The reason for the limits would be to make sure the player has a chance.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

And that chance would vary depending on the difficulty, too?

[Rathalos]

That depends a bit on the exact implementation, but one option we have discussed previously is whenever an AI species tries to progress to the next stage, there is an X (depending on difficulty settings) turn delay before it actually happens.

But for this specific example, we might need something else, because the player has a 5 turn delay after the nucleus before they can even place Binding Agents, while the AI does not. And that’s quite odd.

[AnthropocenianAge (𝒜𝓇𝓉𝒽𝓇𝑜𝓅𝓁𝑒𝓊𝓇𝒶 𝓌𝒶𝓃𝓉𝓈 𝓉𝑜 𝑔𝒾𝓋𝑒 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝒶 𝒽𝓊𝑔!)]

Do you think the 5 turn delay for getting the Binding Agent should be reduced for the Players, in anticipation for implementation of Difficulty Dependent turn delay for the AI to progress to the next stage?

Also, if someone plays with no organelle unlocks, would the delay for AI to progress be very short?

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Maybe the option to turn off organelle unlocks will be removed like what happened to other legacy options?

[AnthropocenianAge (𝒜𝓇𝓉𝒽𝓇𝑜𝓅𝓁𝑒𝓊𝓇𝒶 𝓌𝒶𝓃𝓉𝓈 𝓉𝑜 𝑔𝒾𝓋𝑒 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝒶 𝒽𝓊𝑔!)]

I normally play with organelle unlocks turned off to make it more fair, since AI cells do not have the same restrictions as Players.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

Well maybe it’s an exchange for the advantages of the players in other fields?

[Flagella (King of America and leader of Flagella Co. and FUSA)]

I always find organelle unlocks to be extremely annoying and over the top. It probably does help the AI keep up when I’m doing nothing on my plant run while waiting to unlock the Chloroplast so I can place the Nucleus without being a hopeless organism within five generations because I can’t place Chloroplasts or Mitochondria. Fun times.

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

I wonder if OUs could be added for autoevo…

[hhyyrylainen]

At this rate of people commenting, organelle unlocks is going to be a feature that is going to be enforced in the future (so the option to turn it off will disappear).

[aah31415 (The maker of SitF, Radiostrocity, The Lifenote and TGBing; The Second Ascended...; And just maybe a security warning come alive...?)]

As expected. I don’t recall there being much backlash when passive reproduction was locked to being ON so hopefully there isn’t much for locking ON the unlocks aswell.