THE NEW Miscellaneous Talk That Doesn't Deserve A New Thread Thread Thread (Part 2)

Should a group of disturbances be called a thrive of disturbances?

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And these measures will stay in place until covid is eradicated or adequate measures to prevent long term effects such as long-covid, and brain damage are developed?

When do you expect that is going to happen?

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It’s very hard to predict since we don’t know what direction will the evolution of the virus take. Hence it’s just said as “decades” and not “53 years” for example.

I genuinely think Covid is just a virus that exists now. If we want to eradicate it need to vaccinate people faster than it mutates, but you all know that’s not happening. Most of us aren’t scared of it anymore, and don’t feel like getting every new vaccine that comes out, and a lot of conspiracy theorists are scared of getting vaccinated at all, and a lot of folks who aren’t in rich nations (or have American healthcare and not too much money) just cannot get vaccines expediently. In other words, we’re gonna have to live with it long term. I’m not saying we need to wear masks, but we obviously need to normalize wearing masks, as in, just treat it as a normal thing. Assume folks are sick or have lung issues and just move on with your day. If most sick folks wear masks, it’ll slow down most diseases.

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I found an interesting scientiic paper on the history of the usage of the world “planet” and how the historical connotations changed along with society.

Here is the link:

Metzger, Philip T.; Grundy, W. M.; Sykes, Mark V.; et al. (March 1, 2022). “Moons Are Planets: Scientific Usefulness Versus Cultural Teleology in the Taxonomy of Planetary Science”. Icarus . 374 : 114768. arXiv:2110.15285. Bibcode:2022Icar…37414768M. doi:10.1016/j.icarus.2021.114768. S2CID 240071005.

Also, when did Discorse start doing link previews?

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I think in some form it was present since the dawn of this forum. Not sure when did discourse itself get this feature.

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The final tf2 comic came out, I thought it was really good.

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What is going to happen next now that the final one got released?

The bots will come back to TF2 again.


Oh no! Brad Lynch has been corrupted by skibidi toilet! We must not let the Deckard get corrupted by it too!

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Why would it be corrupted by that?

Skibidi toilet VR games! Have you thought about that?

Hey @hhyyrylainen, I noticed that Thrive’s Linux version has “x11” at the end of the file name. Does that mean it works only on X-org?

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I am afraid of what we’ll come to see when the main target of VR games shifts to gen alpha…

I’m not sure if many suggestions would even be making their way into the game since the schedule is pretty tight at the present.

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A lot of the suggestions are for the later game. But definitely for microbe suggestions it’s almost impossible to get on the roadmap. So basically they will only get done if some developer (or outside programmer) sees one that catches their eye and decides to make it and then send it as a pull request.

No, it is just a historical artifact of how Godot Linux releases used to say. It could be removed but I bet there would be many bugs with the release process so I haven’t bothered. Godot 3 used to have a heavily baked in rendering system that meant that it was X11 specific, but Godot 4 now can support both X11 and Wayland with the same binary and pick whichever is needed. So yeah, the suffix is just a historical artifact at this point.

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Which to this point I am fairly sure did not happen

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I really don’t have a better place to put this, so sorry for missing the stream, but @50gens I have updated this: Heterotrophs should emit ammonia clouds after consuming cells and glucose should be required for rep · Thrive Suggestions

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“What is required is lots of energy. This already exists in thrive as ATP though, and quite a bit of that is needed to finish reproduction, so this point seems to already exist.”
You can still reproduce while being 1 tick of damage away from death due to starvation. I wouldn’t call that a state where the cell should be capable of reproduction.

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There were so many complaints about it when reproduction progress was harder to get (like all damage reverted part of it and you needed glucose? or some other critical compound to turn into reproduction). That’s not going to come back (as anything else except like some extra hard mode, but even then I don’t really think there would be truly very many players at all who would want that).

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“Glucose as a molecule isn’t required really anywhere in cell construction. Not in any of the membranes, lipids, proteins, and organelles.”

All they need glucose. I mean, they need carbon. You can’t build a cell by mixing ammonia and phosphate. They build none of the membranes, lipids, proteins, organelles.

acetil coA is the building block of carbohydrates and lipids. if you add ammonia to acetyl coA, you can build amino acids. add phosphate on top of that, and you can build nucleic acids and atp. you make acetyl coA in the krebs cycle during the carbon fixation. what i mean by glucose is acetyl coA. they are almost synanomous. and simplifying is better than failing at everything.

cells require tiny amounts of ammonia and phosphate compared to the carbon they need. the redfield ratio is 106 carbon and 16 nitrogen for every phosphate a cell has. which is more or less the same for all species.

“What is required is lots of energy. This already exists in thrive as ATP though”

atp isn’t stored in the cells. it is tiny when compared to the carbon in the cell stored as glucose or fats.

roughly 25% of the carbon in the consumed biomass is used as glucose. its “lots of energy”. but still, the same amount, 25% is used directly for building the cell.

filling the ammonia and phosphate bars wouldn’t matter for heterotrophs. because, since they have the same percentage of ammonia and phosphate as their prey, these two would fill at the same rate.

what wouldn’t fill at the same rate, is glucose, which is needed for building the “membranes, lipids, proteins, organelles”. but since it is also used for energy, there isn’t enough of it.

if you can fill your bars as fast as you can, then, when you eat a cell, it would fill 100% of your ammonia bar, 100% of phosphate bar, and 25% of glucose bar. you would need to eat 4 cells to fill your glucose bar as well. after the first prey, every one you eat would need to release 100% of their ammonia and phosphate.

full ammonia/phosphate bars, but unable to reproduce. seems so alien to this game, isn’t it? do we even have carbon based life? do we magically convert atp into glucose?

“Heterotrophs should emit ammonia clouds after consuming cells: This is also already a feature. If you consume more ammonia than you can store the cell throws it back out.”

There is no need to store ammonia, other than in the growth bar around the reproduction button. But there is need to store glucose for energy storage in addition to for growth.

“Now the amount you get from a cell is based on digestion efficiency and game balance, so there is room elsewhere for discussion”

“game balance” is unscientific. if this goes on like this, we wouldn’t need kidneys in the multicellular, right? it is ignoring the math, that you have to get rid of the same percentage of ammonia as the amount of carbon you can’t use. “getting enough ammonia and phosphate” is never the goal for heterotrophs. there would be too many of them. putting them as the only requirement for reproduction is just wrong. and for autotrophs, they would fix their own carbon and nitrogen anyway, so it may as well be “phosphate and sunlight” bars, as the co2 and n2 in the atmosphere wouldn’t run out, diffusion is fast for gasses, so what determines how much you can get them would be how much you’ve stayed under the sun.

“Growth should require some time: This is a current feature. Growth is limited by time.”

here is another idea. why can’t we choose how fast we grow? we can add an organelle called ribosome to determine that. more ribosomes would mean faster growth, but it would also mean the cell is bigger, so it has to grow more overall. sure, energy can also determine it. but does that mean you’re not growing when you’re sprinting? if i make a cell with a bad energy balance, it can have decreasing atp any time i’m not standing still. is that balanced? and if time is the only limiter, it there is no way to complete the stage faster, no valid strategy for speedrunning.

why not add a new compound called “biomass”. it can be the building block of the cells.

106 glucose + 16 ammonia + phosphate => 1 biomass

the prices of the organelles can be shown as biomass on the editor, alongside mp. mp would determine how much organelles you can add, and biomass would determine how much more clouds you’d need to eat in order to reach full size if you add that many organelles.

1 damaged biomass => biomass

ribosome can be the organelle that fixes biomass, and makes new biomass if you’re an autotroph. and if you have zero ribosomes, your groth speed would be zero. this was another suggestion i made that had zero upvotes.

3 compound bars around the “reproduce” button may be too visually not good. so why not have just one, called biomass? if you’re a heterotroph, your only energy source would be eating cells, and you would have a lot of ammonia and phosphate, and very little glucose. so rather than having a full ammonia and phosphate bar all the time, why not just ignore those two?

when you eat a cell, it can drop biomass, and you can get that biomass directly and increase your own growth.

biomass => 106 glucose + 16 ammonia + phosphate

you would use some of the biomass for growth, and turn some of it to glucose for energy. you would then “release” the 16 ammonia and 1 phosphate, because there is no need for them.

similarly, when you are starving, you can make that same reaction, and lose growth in favor of energy.

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