The tissue development?
What is the issue there?
You meanâŚwhat is the âTissueâ here?
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This is the issue. Kinda sucks when you describe the problem and the other human just says âwell you could theoretically fix the proteins with these unexplained translator proteinsâ and ignores the rest.
This is exactly the problem with underwater and other really pointless discussions where the proponents always go âbut wait what if they could use the INSERT RANDOM THING to do THE THING?â whenever their last really shaky argument is torn apart.
There isnât much of an issue with the tissues themselves. Sure, theyâll need extra proteins to link together distinct cell lines, but other than that why canât it just work as normal?
Here you go. I quoted it so you could read it. Itâs also Imperfect so Iâll explain again. Take, a jaw. In mammals the zygote becomes a blob, elongates, gets some foldy stuff that looks like gill, gets a mouth, and then an anus. The gill-like things become the jaw bones, and three ear bones of the animal. The ear bones are involved because ancient tetrapods heard with their jaws made of four bones each, but mammals evolved specialized ears out of the bones associated with the joints.
In contrast an ant just grows some spikes off their skin to bust out of the egg and after being born develop little leg things, some of which fold into mouthparts. Also in ants the hole that develops first is the anus, and the body plan is subtly flipped upside down.
Imagine both of those happening at once. On one half would be tons of ant legs , lots of them trying to fold into various body parts but other stuff getting in the way, and on the other there would be a bunch of foldy structures trying to become jaws and ears but getting immobilized by the proto-exoskeleton and opposite that on the same side the mammalian tailbone would be preventing the ant genes from folding their legs into a freaking mouth on the creatures butt. Remember: ants treat hole a like an anus while mammals treat it like a mouth. Same with hole b but reversed. No digestive system is going to survive developing in ten way and four directions at once.
You probably also couldnât splice a human and a car into a functional cyborg, yet I doubt this example will make reconsider the possibility of biomechatronics
In the same way, itâs not very coherent to claim that because two very specific taxa currently have incompatible development systems, the concept of this chimerism is entirely impossible. Even this scenario (which has been exaggerated, ants and humans develop on the same body axes), it should be entirely possible to manipulate the timings and positions of various traits to allow proper development. This would be even easier for alien biologies, where the specific parts are independent and have no natural crosstalk between systems
âŚDID YOU READ MY ORIGINAL THING? I am seriously beginning to question your ability to read, like for real I just said this.
To hybridize a human and an ant youâd either splice the eye and exoskeletal genes from an ant into a human and construct artificial organs for any other issues or implant human-like lungs into an artificial-ish ant to allow it to be molded into a more human-like body shape. Iâm fine with that, but I donât think itâs mixing species, just making something that looks like a non-problematic mix would if it were possible.
So itâs possible to do something else. Why is this such an issue to my idea? It is entirely within reason that two processes with similar-looking results can both be possible
I was arguing against mushing together totally unrelated creatures, not making something that looks like an idealized hybrid. Iâm totally fine with that. I wasnât aware you were arguing for anything remotely like hybridization, I thought you litterally meant âyou take some genes from this, some from this, and troubleshoot it a littleâ not âletâs see how we could make a man-ant, even if itâs 0% human or antâ
So what is your argument against true hybridisation? I havenât heard anything besides that the worst-case scenario for hybridisation doesnât work out of the box and that other processes have a similar looking outcome
âŚUF DVGFHGJHYTSDGRHTFGYJUVTFRGSDHTFGYJFCTRDFGDTRYTJUKH i hate arguing with you. i literally said âyou know okay, now that i understand your point of view that makes sense and im okay with itâ and your response was âokay, how about we keep this going for literally no reason because i think you cherry picked your example or somethingâ
@BurgeonBlas I donât really know what to say really⌠you are ignoring the core of @Deathwakeâs argument (which I agree with) and it seems like you are talking about entirely different things using the same words. So maybe itâs better for everyone to let this topic cooldown, okay?
using genetic engineering to create organic star ships that can heel and regrow. they would be powered by sunlight and ice asteroids
good point. it is a little silly
Also thatâs pretty much what the Yuuzhan Vong use in the later star wars books (everything they use either is or was living). I personally think they should be possible in the game.
I actually think thatâs possible, just not via genetic engineering a single organism. Perhaps having artificially created corals grow the frames for everything in a bath of hormone gradients to shape it and having special bacteria reform everything into metals or carbon allotropes. From there youâd have a sentient biomechanical brain, bacteria growing your food and ammo, and all the biology being fueled by radiotropic extremophiles in the reactor. Lots of living corals would be kept around to heal the ship, and a ship like this could easily be considered biological even if itâs a colony organism that grew around a fusion reactor.
Gas Giants Mining and Mining Stations
Gas Giants Mining Stations would collect: Hydrogen; Helium; Methane and other Carbon based substances and, in some planets like Uranus, diamonds. (Maybe Hydrogen and Helium come in hand with nuclear fusion technology (stars), Carbon and Carbon based substances come in hand with different technologies and are probably wanted for many fabrics and materials and, finally, diamonds - or Rained Diamonds - are for the luxury market). It would make sense to mine this planets if it is ever possible, because the quantity of each substance here is huge.
The Mining Stations would be inside the atmosphere in adequate altitude and only devices would go lower to get the wanted substances. (Diamonds would be collected from the theoretical Diamond Rain of Uranus-like Planets with some kind of a hardened net)
I think I would be amazing to use the concept of Hot Air Balloons, Submarines (Different Densities in compartments in order to lift or to drop to a certain altitude) to these Gas Giants Mining Stations in order for them to be stationary at a certain habitable altitude level.
I think it would look really cool to bring some scientific concepts like this one into the game, because different planets have different minerals and geological/weather conditions and these Gas Giant Mining Stations have many markets to fill.
What do you think about it?